Talk:Achievement

Separate section for console

Could we please keep the separate section for console-only achievements? Also, editing restriction? What's going on? —Fenhl 00:28, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Fenhl: MCW:admin noticeboard/Archive 24#Editing/behavioral restrictions on Pocket Edition Alpha 0.12.0 and User talk:Wolffillms#Interaction ban. –LauraFi - talk 00:43, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I see. Any opinions on the content? I feel like having the subsection makes the article more readable. —Fenhl 01:05, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

 Agree. –LauraFi - talk 01:16, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Pinging BDJP007301, since he is the main advocate against it.

 Neutral: It does seem a bit neater having it separated, but I feel like it has the purpose of separating out non-PC content rather than exclusive content, as most of the achievements also are on the Windows 10 edition. So sorting it does make the PC edition easier to navigate, but I feel it could make the rest harder, especially since the sorting feature of all achievements is lost. –KnightMiner ^t/_c 02:17, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

 Disagree per the latter half of Knight's comment. My original revert occurred on November 29th of last year, almost six hours before the interaction ban went into effect against both myself and Wolf. Wolf then abruptly reverted my edit just over a month later, which in turn, technically violated the editing restriction against him. I questioned Orthotope about that particular revert, but as of now, have gotten no response from him. Being bold, I decided to revert Wolf's edit in risk of a block, as again, Wolf's revert technically violated his editing restriction. -BDJP ^(t|c) 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

 Oppose There is already a column for what version the achievement applies to, and it would be easy enough to [minecraft.gamepedia.com/Template:Load_achievements?action=edit edit the template so that it you can split the table].? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Blobs2 (talk • contribs) at 3:40, 12 January 2016 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

It would make much more sense to not have a "version restriction" column when almost all achievements are in all of the major editions, and instead have a seperate section for the Console/Windows 10 exclusive achievements for easier reading and better marking exclusiveness. Wolffillms (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

I  Agree for a seperate section marking Console/Windows 10 Edition exclusive achievements, as per Minecraft Wiki:Projects/Highlighting Edition-Specific Information all Editon exclusive information should be highlighted as being exclusive for easier reading of pages. Wolffillms (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Your idea would basically make the version availability on mobs go caput. -BDJP ^(t|c) 01:49, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Are you making an analogy? What is the connection from this page to the mob page? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 04:33, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Alternate idea: rather than use the current 'version restriction' column, use four yes/no columns: a PC column, an XBox column, a PS column, and a Win10 column. Then within the same table you could sort those columns to find all the desired edition-specific achievements? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 15:42, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

 Agree with Sealbud's idea. -BDJP ^(t|c) 18:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Something like this? I would  Agree to that, though it does become a bit bulky. it might be worth dropping a few of the other columns from the overall template to make a bit more room (not sure which though, it is all rather useful information) –KnightMiner ^t/_c 22:13, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I like that mockup. I made some syntax corrections to it (apologies for stepping into your sandbox, I felt like it was okay since it was a piece of code under discussion ..?), but there remains an issue with xbox points not showing in the second cell of split rows.

I don't think this table is that clunky, at least no more than the original. – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 15:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

I just noticed there's a problem with sorting that maybe we ought to try to overcome. Try this: sort by Win 10 column, look at 'Adventuring Time' within the Win 10 'yes' block. It shows a red 'no' by the PC. That's technically exactly the cell you should expect, of course. But what if a user, through misinterpreting that 'no', interprets it to mean that 'Adventuring Time' isn't available on the PC? The other 'Adventuring Time' isn't readily available to compare. Maybe sorting inherently leads to this problem, or maybe this can be overcome? Perhaps instead of showing 'no', show ... some other red-colored word that clearly communicates what is going on.

Secondly and more minor, I noticed that after sorting columns (clicking headers), it gets rid of those nice rowspanned cells. That's just an artifact of the sortable table not having a way to return to its original sort order, right? Is this something we could overcome or is it too much bother? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 16:31, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

It's fine that you edited my sandbox, that is what it's here for (hence the line at the top of my sandbox)

The rowspan stuff is a side effect of the sorting, yes. In order to separately sort the two different possible values, it just splits them into two separate rows. I don't believe there is any easy way to overcome it, because keeping them together disables sorting between the two values

As for the "split in two" ones, I am not really sure what word to use there instead of "No" as there is not a lot of space for a full reason, though I did try a title just now on my sandbox like so: No? I applied that to the table. –KnightMiner ^t/_c 17:13, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh I see the note now. The rowspan stuff, I'm sure it'll be fine then.

I think the title is a good direction. By the time a person is looking closely at a line to see which editions don't 'Adventuring Time', they'll probably notice the note. In case the dotted underline is too subtle, maybe the cell should be reddish-orange? Is that too visually busy?

Also I notice that 'Monster Hunter' and 'Leader of the Pack' at least don't have different requirements, they're split only because of XBox points. How about, more generically, something like 'Available but in a slightly different form'? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 17:52, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

A reddish orange could work, though there are not a lot of distinctive colors left between red and yellow, so maybe I can leave the note the same color and switch the normal "no"'s color to something like "never" from {{tc}}? I don't think it will be busy as much as very common though, but it could work. If we are changing the color though, I really should try and come up with a better word, to make it more clearly distinctive.

I'll try tweaking the note a bit when I adjust the colors, but I would like to get a few more comments on the design (and hopefully a better word for the "Yes, but different" than "No"). –KnightMiner ^t/_c 23:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Tweaked the note a bit and switched the Win10 header to Pocket (I really don't feel it is needed to spam "in win10, upcoming pocket" everywhere, but if someone else thinks it is needed, I can do that). I also switched the color to an orange now, so opinions on the busyness? (note there also is a blue color not used which is for upcoming achievements, replacing the old upcoming parameter. Just set any version parameter to "upcoming" on the edit preview to compare it in the busyness) –KnightMiner ^t/_c 01:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

My thought is, even though it's kind of a nonstandard mcwiki table color, once you know what orange means, it works. So I lightened it to try to match the paleness of the red and green; it seemed a little vibrant before. It kinda still does; I may even try #FDE0B2.

I want to try the word "Alt" and change the language to say "Available in an alternate form."

One question: is it possible, when you sort the column, to have the orange cells always group between the yellow and the red cells? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 15:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

 Agree with this idea. –LauraFi - talk 14:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

PS3 achievements coming from expansion packs

So, per the question raised at Talk:Ocelot#Achievement/Trophy list, and considering this source detailing the PS3 achievements and which ones can be gotten with which expansion packs, is there a good way to notate this in our achievement tables? Is it as simple as changing a few 'PS4' cells to 'Yes', or because this is DLC, is there more to consider? I'm not familiar with how the console and DLC work. – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 17:38, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

It is strange that it states them as expansion packs that are free, considering that is exactly how updates work, but since it is kept separate it might be best to write it as "PS4/PS3 DLC1" or something similar, then have a section below describing it. –KnightMiner ^t/_c 22:48, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Feel free to put the note in if you want to; I may not get to it for some time. – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 21:45, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

List of Wii U achievements

So, after a day, my Wii U finally updated my copy of the Wii U Edition, and here's a list of all 56 achievements that are currently available on it (posting it here so someone who's good at templates can update it as such because I am TERRIBLE at templates):

Taking Inventory, Getting Wood, Benchmarking, Time to Mine!, Hot Topic, Acquire Hardware, Time to Farm!, Bake Bread, The Lie, Getting an Upgrade, Delicious Fish, On A Rail, Time to Strike!, Monster Hunter, Cow Tipper, When Pigs Fly, Leader of the Pack, MOAR Tools, Dispense With This, Into The Nether, Pork Chop, Passing the Time, Archer, Sniper Duel, DIAMONDS!, Return to Sender, Into Fire, Local Brewery, The End?, The End., Enchanter, Overkill, Librarian, Adventuring Time, Repopulation, Diamonds to you!, The Haggler, Pot Planter, It's a Sign!, Iron Belly, Have a Shearful Day, Rainbow Collection, Stayin' Frosty, Chestful of Cobblestone, Renewable Energy, Music to my Ears, Body Guard, Iron Man, Zombie Doctor, Lion Tamer, The Beginning?, The Beginning., Beaconator, Overpowered, Tie Dye Outfit, and Trampoline.

passes out due to exhaustion from typing too much

-BDJP ^(t|c) 20:26, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

smelling salts

So are there any special particular values to each of the Wii achievements, equivalent to like the trophy level on the playstation, or xbox points? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 20:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

No, there aren't, as far as I'm aware of. -BDJP ^(t|c) 21:03, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I took a look at the template; and I think I might leave it to KnightMiner to take a swing at. Can't set aside the time for an operation like this I don't think. – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 20:53, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I've added the column and did my best to convert that list into the table. @BDJP007301: Can you double check that I added the achievments to the table correctly? Your list is long and sorted a bit differently than the article list, so I may have missed something. –KnightMiner ^t/_c 04:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

It's all good, except for the following that you missed, which I've fixed:

Leader of the Pack, MOAR Tools, Dispense With This, Pork Chop, Passing the Time, and Archer.

-BDJP ^(t|c) 10:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

6 more achievements added for mini game battle pvp total 62

On console edition, 6 achievements added for battle pvp mini game total 62 achievements, so please update list of achivements to inclue 6 more achievements. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.80.241.215 (talk) at 16:32, 29 August 2016 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Thanks for the information. It appears that these are only available on the Xbox 360 Edition so far. I'll add them when I can (and hopefully, either me or another experienced editor can add the icons for them). -BDJP ^(t|c) 17:19, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Map room achievement unobtainable on xbox 360 and playstation 3

Cannot earn 1 achievement is map room, due cannot craft with 1 map and 8 papers. Or i must use Shears to get this achievement ?

List goes off screen

On 4:3 monitors, the advancement list goes off screen. Is there a way to fix this? — Nixinova (talk • edits • pages) 05:02, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Do you mean, the achievement list? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 11:51, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, whatever, this achievement/advancement stuff is getting very confusing :/ — Nixinova (talk • edits • pages) 19:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

The table doesn't seem to want to shrink down past about 1240px wide. Column widths are shrunk down to the width of the "largest word", then they don't get smaller, and there are so many columns, it all adds up. On the up-side, once 1.12 gets released, 3 columns go away, and minumum-width comes down to about 800px. That might be nice. – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 20:08, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

It should also be noted that you can simply scroll to see the rest of the table. Not ideal, but it's not inaccessible. –Majr ᐸ Talk
Contribs 10:49, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

1.12

PepijnMC, we don't like the history section mentioning the pc achievements that turned into advancements? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 14:21, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't think it's something that belongs in the history section, but that could be just me. If you really think it belongs there you can put it back and I won't touch it anymore. --Pepijn (talk) 14:23, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Hmmmm, I don't know where it would better belong... It seemed like at least the equivalent one were worth pointing out, what do you think – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 14:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I added them to Advancements#Trivia, which I think is a good place for them. --Pepijn (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I see; not a bad place either I think. – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 22:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

List of Achievements Table, previous versions

I was just trying to determine which achievements were not added as advancements into 1.12, but that is not listed as trivia on the advancements page, and it is not accessible from the achievements page. What's worse is that viewing a previous version of the achievements page shows the current version of the list of achievements table, not the version that was available at the time. For example, there is no reason for the PC achievements to be missing back in March, when advancements were being hinted at and only recently put into snapshots. NickNackGus (talk) 01:59, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Advancements. This illustrates a flaw with MediaWiki: if you view an old version of a page, it still uses the latest version of any templates on that page. Since the table is made with a template, it no longer shows PC edition information on any old version. -- Orthotope^talk 02:36, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

The redirects to achievements that are also advancements

For instance Adventuring Time ..Perhaps convert them all to disambiguations? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 13:08, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

 Support. --Pepijn (talk) 13:09, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Also  Support, I didn't even think about that. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 14:19, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Also to do that, {{advancements}} would have to set an {{anchor}} for each of its entries, like {{achievements}} does. I won't have time these coming weeks or months -- someone else feel free! – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 16:29, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done Added anchors to the advancements template. An example: Advancements#Isn't_It_Iron_Pick. --Pepijn (talk) 18:42, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Console mechanics

Nintendo Console Editions

For WiiU and Switch, there is no 'global' achievement system, is that correct? On those systems, are they earned per-world like Java advancements, or per-account, or per-edition like Xbox Live and PSN? And if so, what is that account known as? Can those achievements be reset in any way? Are those achievemets broadcast to chat?

PSN Console Editions

For Playstation, same questions: are they earned per-world or per-account or per-edition? Are those achievements broadcast to chat?

– Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 06:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

BDJP007301, do you have CE still, and would you be able to figure out how it works on Nintendo consoles? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 12:25, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes; I have the Nintendo Console Editions. AFAIK, there is no global achievement system in place on either console. Achievements are earned per-account; on Wii U, it is known as a Nintendo Network ID or just simply a username. On Switch, it is known as a Nintendo Account or just simply a username. There is no option to reset the achievements on either console, and achievements are not broadcast to chat at all. -BDJP ^(t|c) 15:45, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Ah. Is there the possibility, like in Pocket / Windows 10, to play the game while not logged in, and simply not earn achievements? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 16:26, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

You are allowed to make multiple accounts on either console. However, they do not have to be linked to a Nintendo Network ID or a Nintendo Account. I tested it on a friend's Switch, and you can still get achievements even if the account is not linked to either. -BDJP ^(t|c) 17:13, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Ah. So it can be linked to a Nintendo Network ID or a Nintendo Account, or not. Can you play the game without an account at all? And if so, can you earn achievements in that scenario? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 17:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

No and no. -BDJP ^(t|c) 18:00, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Two more questions: are achievements earned using your NNID visible on any console where you use that same NNID? Do achievements earned on Switch show as being earned on Wii U, if it's on the same NNID? Sorry if these are silly questions, Im just very unfamiliar with how consoles work – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 21:14, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Not that I'm sure of and no. -BDJP ^(t|c) 21:29, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Nintendo editions

Any reason the Nintendo editions are separate in the table? I originally designed the editions switch to support keeping same system together, like is done with PlayStation and Xbox, so it would really make sense to have The two nintendo editions combined as Nintendo and use the partial feature to denote "Switch only" or "Wii U only". –KnightMiner ^t/_c 23:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done. -BDJP ^(t|c) 23:22, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Where to get the images

LevitatingSheep, where is a good place to get the achievement images? I tried looking in the .apk file from my Android version, but either it wasn't there or I missed it. – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 12:27, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Well I got 'em from xboxachievements.com
Btw, I checked the xbox one edition and the pocket edition and a few of the images appear different(which can be seen in the sprite sheet as I uploaded the different version from PE as well as the normal versions) and I was thinking that it'd should probably be added to the achievements page, somehow. Not sure how though. What do you suggest? LevitatingSheep (talk) 14:19, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

From my thought, I don't know if that possible though, to make rotating images within a sprite, perhaps using the {{animate}} or the <slideBoxLightShow>? Meanwhile the Achievements and Marketplace assets are stored in their server, so I don't know also where the original image is. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 09:23, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Missing images

Okay, what the heck is going on with the images?

Icon		Achievement	In-game description	Actual requirements (if different)	Gamerscore earned	Trophy type (PS4)
PS4	Other
		Benchmaking	Craft a workbench with four blocks of wooden planks.	Pick up a crafting table from the inventory's crafting field output or a crafting table output.	10G	Bronze
		Hot Topic	Construct a furnace out of eight cobblestone blocks.	Pick up a furnace from a crafting table output.	15G	Bronze
		Cow Tipper	Harvest some leather.	Pick up leather from the ground.	15G	Bronze
		When Pigs Fly	Use a saddle to ride a pig, and then have the pig get hurt from fall damage while riding it.	Be riding a pig (e.g. using a saddle) when it hits the ground with a fall distance greater than 5.	40G	Silver
		Sniper Duel	Kill a Skeleton with an arrow from more than 50 meters.	Use a launched arrow to kill a skeleton, spider jockey, wither skeleton, or a stray from 50 or more blocks away, horizontally.	30G	Bronze

Half of them don't even have images, while the other half are completely random. Can someone please do something about this? – Nixinova • • 07:14, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

It's the result of people continually messing around with the sprite. You have a cached version which was broken. The current one works fine. –Majr ᐸ Talk
Contribs 07:18, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

How do you get it to show up properly? – Nixinova • • 07:24, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Press F5. –Majr ᐸ Talk
Contribs 07:28, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Reloading isnt helping. Benchmarking still has an illager, potions and an enchanting table, hot topic is something, cow tipper is a dog, ice, a map and a saddle, and the other two dont load – Nixinova 07:36, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm also getting this issue on multiple browsers on all sorts of devices. –Goandgoo ᐸ Talk
Contribs 12:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC)