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Image Licensing

Hi, I'm wondering how should

  • Custom Skins
  • Custom texture packs
  • Mod Blocks and Items

be licensed. Thanks in advance. -- Anoymous712 12:56, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Good question. Texture packs that are relatively minor modifications of the default (such as :File:2011-10-30_15.40.05.png) are considered derivative works, so I think they should still use {{License Mojang}}. It's less obvious what to do with complete remakes (such as :File:2011-08-14_11.57.21.png); I've been skipping them for now. Similarly with mods, if it's obviously based on vanilla textures, it's not an original work and should probably have the Mojang license. I'm not an expert on this subject, though, so some of the other admins might have more insight. -- Orthotope 13:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks anyways, I'm thinking to clear out the files on :Category:Unlicensed files that aren't minecraft screenshots first, then having a bot to add {{License Mojang}} to the rest (since most screenshots are minecraft screenshots). -- Anoymous712 13:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually, the screenshots are the easiest ones to deal with. There are a bunch of redstone circuit diagrams, third-party program screenshots, user photos/avatars, etc., which need to be licensed by their creator; we can't just tack on whatever license we feel like. Since the creators aren't always active here anymore, it probably won't be possible to clear out the category entirely. -- Orthotope 13:57, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Compiling a list of minecraft screenshots would be easiest, then let the bot run through them. Remember that screenshots should also have :Category:Screenshots, not just a mojang license.
I've written a quick script to make a list of names from the gallery images, running the script will add a + icon to the top-left of all the gallery boxes, and clicking it will add that name to a textbox docked on the bottom-right of the screen. Clicking the minus icon will remove the item from the list. The list isn't saved between page loads, however you can just select the text and copy it, then paste it into the box on the next page.
Since it is made specifically for this purpose, it should only be run when you actually want to make a list from a category, otherwise you'll have the textbox always sitting there on your screen. ultradude25Talk
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00:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Having the screenshots all added by default would probably be the easiest, then users can remove all files that are not minecraft snapshots, since they are the most common (probably, haven't checked). -- Anoymous712 06:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
How about custom skins? Can they be considered a derivative of Mojang's work as all skins have the same dimensions? -- Anoymous712 06:33, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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Checked. Most images there are images that are unclear (not literally), so yes, adding screenshots would be faster. -- Anoymous712 08:27, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Changes to template

Hi, thought I would bring it to your attention here. Please add :Category:Mojang images to {{License Mojang}} as criteria for files to be added to the category and have the template is identical. Doing so will automatically add all images with the template to :Category:Mojang images, so you don't have to do it manually. Thanks! -- Anoymous712 08:24, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Oops, didn't realise it was already there. -- Anoymous712 08:30, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
No worries, <includeonly> tags can be subtle. -- Orthotope 08:35, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Perherps for adding Minecraft screenshots to :Category:Screenshots, we can comply a list, with coding similar to this, but with all images in :Category:Mojang images added by default, and remove images from that list. Then we can have a bot run through them. If that's not possible, perherps we can have an exclude list? Thanks! -- Anoymous712 09:31, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Maybe; I've never used bots before, though, so I'm not really the best person to ask. -- Orthotope 09:36, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
A semi-bot is possible with a program like AutoWikiBrowser; I've tried setting the program up for repetitive edits but I've encountered problems with logging in. I'm pretty sure I've seen ultradude25 talk about using it, so perherps it's only for bots. -- Anoymous712 08:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Confirmed, bots do use AutoWikiBrowser. -- Anoymous712 09:44, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

DataValuesBeta.png: Please correct 150(2) Pillar Quartz Block to 155(2), add 163 acacia wood stairs, 164 dark wood stairs, 170 hay block. Thank You. Acd0788 (talk) 23:47, 15 November 2013 (UTC)acd0788

Minecraft Pocket Edition 0.6.0 Kindle Fire

Hello. I have a kindle fire with Minecraft PE downloaded running 0.5.0. I'm not getting the 0.6.0 update automatically which is how I thought I'd get it. I'm wondering if I need to do something to get it or if I just can't. Some help would be appreciated. Thanks for your time! 75.20.130.9 05:34, 3 February 2013 (UTC)Jake

I don't have PE myself, so I don't actually know how the updates are handled. My best guess is to check the Amazon app store and see if there's a link to download it there. -- Orthotope 07:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Amazon App store doesn't auto update apps like google play store. ~ LABHOUSE (LH) 20:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Block flammability info

Would you be interested in adding a flammability section to the Block template, since you discussed the matter previously? I'll edit the block pages if it's added. —kpreid 20:26, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Replied on template talk page. -- Orthotope 05:05, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Replied. —kpreid 00:45, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

bat spawning

hi Orthotope, I'am 0°F from german MCwiki. Please tell me, from where did you get the information

"Below layer 63, light level of 4 or less
On October 20-November 3: below layer 63, light level of 7 or less"?

I want to add the source, just because i doubt this information. you may help me? thank you! Null Fahrenheit 15:39, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

It's from reading the decompiled source. Here's the relevant function:
public boolean getCanSpawnHere() {
    int var1 = MathHelper.floor_double(this.boundingBox.minY);
    if (var1 >= 63) {
        return false; // don't spawn at layer 63 or above
    } else {
        int var2 = MathHelper.floor_double(this.posX);
        int var3 = MathHelper.floor_double(this.posZ);
        int var4 = this.worldObj.getBlockLightValue(var2, var1, var3);
        byte var5 = 4;    // normal max light level is 4
        Calendar var6 = this.worldObj.getCurrentDate();
        if ((var6.get(2) + 1 != 10 || var6.get(5) < 20)
              && (var6.get(2) + 1 != 11 || var6.get(5) > 3)) {
            if (this.rand.nextBoolean()) {
                return false;   // not near Halloween, 50% chance of not spawning
            }
        } else {
            var5 = 7;   // near Halloween, max light level is 7
        }
        return var4 > this.rand.nextInt(var5) ? false : super.getCanSpawnHere();
    }
}
-- Orthotope 20:53, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you so far. Have to reflect about it for now. CU, Null Fahrenheit 09:14, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
A few notes (sorry about bad English):
  • striktly speaking, its not a valid source, just a source code, that may come from elsewhere, I dont know.
  • the 50% spawning reduction at not-halloween-periods is not mentioned
  • finally, the spawning frequency is mapped at random on the actual spawning lightlevel. the darker the environment, the lesser spawning.
All the best, Null Fahrenheit 11:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
  • It's not too hard to download MCP and decompile it yourself. A number of other things on the wiki (such as trading and enchanting mechanics) are based on source code analysis.
  • Yeah, the spawning reduction probably should be added to the article.
  • Correct; this is true for all the hostile mobs that require darkness to spawn as well. -- Orthotope 16:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the trouble. I agree to everything. I didnt see the relation of the last line of code and the general spawning conditions. Bye. Null Fahrenheit 22:00, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

NPC Village/video

Somehow, I knew marking the talk page like that would end up with confusion. Sorry about that lol. Kanegasi C 05:50, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

A few more seconds of thinking about it would have helped, but my brain's been a little foggy from having caught a cold. Got it sorted out eventually, so no harm done. -- Orthotope 06:30, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Minecraft questions

I don't know if this is the right place to put this, but you might be the only one that could answer these.

  1. How does fractional damage work? For example, touching a cactus with armor on. Each hit, you sometimes lose health and sometimes not, making me think that it's less than half a heart.
  2. In 1.5, there is "hidden lava" in the nether. Pieces of "hidden lava" are 1x1x1 cubes of lava randomly placed in the nether. How common are these, and are they more common at lower levels? Also, what snapshot did they start in?
  3. Are gold, lapis, diamond, and redstone ore veins always in groups of 4-8? I think they are, and I think iron is 4-9. I also want to know the vein size for coal and nether quartz.
  4. Is every part of a river the same river? I have noticed that sometimes rivers flow through oceans (I always have F3 on), so they might all be the same river.
  5. Do cave spiders and silverfish count against the hostile mob limit even though they don't spawn naturally?
  6. I know of a glitch that I call the "0-item glitch". If you have a stack of 0 items, and you move it in your inventory, it will go away. If it's a projectile and you throw it, you will have 255 left. If you place it, it will go away if it's a block, but you'll have 255 if it's an item (e. g. heads). Not sure about if you try to eat from a stack of 0. Also, I'm not sure if dropping one will leave 255. What other properties does a stack of 0 items have?
  7. (I assume this is how it works.) A random spot in the ocean has a 1 in ____ chance of being a mushroom biome.
  8. I got a death message "hotdogPi was doomed to fall" in singleplayer, in a parkour map I made. When does this happen?
  9. What tick number can you start sleeping, what tick number do you wake up in multiplayer if not everyone sleeps, and what tick number do you wake up in if the sleep is successful?
  10. Does vanilla minecraft keep track of how many days have passed? If it does, how does "/time" affect it?
  11. Is "Fire Resistance 0" possible to get, and does it do anything?
  12. There is a 1 in ____ chance that it is raining, and there is a 1 in ____ chance that there is a thunderstorm. (Also, how long do rain and thunder last on average?)

hotdogPi--t--c 19:17, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

For the #'s, the returns you put between each question broke them. I made that change separately so you can easily revert it if you don't like how # indents. Also, I think I can answer #2. Not really hidden and has always been a part of generation. They are intended to create the random lava falls from the ceiling and other overhangs. I believe they were there since the beginning of the Nether and as for generation facts, not sure. Kanegasi C 06:08, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


Lots of good questions!
1 - The game keeps track of 'carryover damage' in units of 1/25 of a point of health. Touching a cactus while in full diamond armor (80% damage reduction) will increase the carryover damage counter by 5, so you take 1Half Heart.svg damage on every fifth hit.
2 - No idea on this one yet; I'm waiting for MCP to update. (Even with it, terrain generation code is gnarly and not easy to understand.)
3 - Ore generation is also a bit gnarly. I may be wrong about this, but my best understanding is that it picks two real-valued (floating-point decimal) points, draws a line between them, and turns any stone block whose center is within a certain radius of that line into ore. The horizontal distance between the two points and the radius are proportional to the 'numberOfOres' parameter (which is not actually the maximum number of ores that can be generated); the vertical distance is at most 2. I ran some simulations, with interesting results; all of these assume the ore generates in solid stone, with no caves or other non-stone blocks in the area. Lapis lazuli generates in veins of up to 10, though 4 is by far the most common, followed by 6 and 5. Redstone and diamond have the same properties, generating in veins of up to 10, with the most common sizes being 4, 6, 5, and 8. Iron and gold also generate in veins of up to 10, with 6, 4, 8 and 5 the most common; 7 is rarer than 9 and 3. Coal generates in veins of 6-32, with 20, 18, and 22 being the most frequent; most veins are 16-24 blocks. Finally, dirt and gravel generate in clusters of 40-136 blocks. The spread is wide enough to give a bell-curve like shape, though odd quantities are about half as common as the even quantities immediately above and below them.
In short, you're right about 90% of the time, though slightly larger and smaller quantities are possible.
4 - No; river biomes are used for lakes in jungle and swamp biomes, and I've seen some rivers that form complete circles, not connecting to any ocean.
5 - I believe so.
6 - That bug is the result of some items failing to check if the stack size is already zero when they are used. The quantity is saved as a byte, so -1 wraps around to 255.
7 - The fractal-like biome generation code is arcane. There is a step at which it tries to add a mushroom island biome, which requires that all the adjacent areas be ocean and also pass a 1% chance. I would not consider it accurate to say that any given spot in an ocean has a 1% chance of being a mushroom island, though.
8 - The language file lists that line as 'death.fell.killer', so my guess is that it's used when you get knocked off a cliff by another player or entity.
9 - You can only sleep when the sky light level is 11 or less. I don't really feel like doing the inverse trig needed to calculate exactly when this is, but according to Daylight Sensor it's roughly between 12600 and 23400. I think you wake up at time 0.
10 - Possibly; it looks like the tick counter doesn't normally reset from 24000 to 0, and it's stored as a long, so they expect it to reach large numbers. '/time set foo' sets the time to exactly what is given, which will often set the clock back to day 1.
11 - I don't think so; the effect level shown in roman numerals is one greater than the actual internal effect amplifier (Regeneration II is actually amplifier 1, Fire Resistance I is amplifier 0). To get a displayed effect level 0, you'd need an amplifier of -1, which the game doesn't like (/effect command rejects it).
12 - Rain lasts 12,000 to 24,000 ticks; thunder lasts 3600 to 15,600 ticks. Both have separate random delays of 12,000 to 180,000 ticks (0.5 to 7.5 in-game days). Roughly 16% chance of rain at any given moment, and 9% chance of thunder. -- Orthotope 11:17, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
More on #2: hidden lava is new in 1.5, though I'm not certain which snapshot added it. 16 attempts per chunk are made to generate a lava block anywhere between layers 10 and 117; it must replace either air or netherrack, and all six adjacent blocks must be netherrack.
And more on #3: nether quartz ore also generates 16 times per chunk, with each vein started randomly between layers 10 and 117. Assuming it generates in solid netherrack, vein size is usually 12-16 blocks. -- Orthotope 02:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Google Translate

I'm sorry, i only wanted to help :(

Ftwgameshd 14:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

You have new messages at Talk:Minecraft_Wiki/editcopy. TheIanM2002 02:21, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Template:Blocks

I have read the rules and the guy who is deleting my posts has not.

It states that: Planned: This category lists features that have appeared in snapshots but have yet to appear in an update.

so the hay bale and BUD switch have not been implimented and should NOT be marked as 'planned'

please edit the page accordingly since user 007a83 is vandalising the page by putting features he wants in. KomaSixx 12:45, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Traditionally, things stayed in the 'planned' list until either officially canceled or a substantial amount of time had passed (a year or so) with no progress made toward implementing them. I don't really care which approach is used, but this needs to be resolved via discussion, not edit warring on highly-used templates. -- Orthotope 18:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Is this gonna be the venue for discussion, or somewhere else? 'Cause might as well get a discussion started. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Personally I think we should merge unimplemented and planned. It's basically the same thing. Then we instead have an "upcoming" section, for things that are in snapshots. If we really want to list those essentially cancelled things, then we could perhaps have a cancelled section? ultradude25Talk
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21:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I have considered simply editing the description on the :Category:Planned page to reflect other features, but I agree with ultradude25's suggestion of creating upcoming and canceled sections, then splitting unimplemented into planned and canceled. This would basically be planned having mentioned, not seen yet, no further confirmation, etc, where hay bale and BUD would be in, with canceled having quiver and lanterns, etc. My suggestion would be a different name for that last one other than canceled, since we could also group the partial/unused stuff into this. Kanegasi C 21:51, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

well the problem with the hay bale is it could have been a mojang joke. and the minecart with despenser was just in a picture showing NBT edit usage. I think these should stay off until more is known. plus with the BUD switch he said he MAY add a bud switch.

the way I see it is that when people see planned, they expect to see it in the NEXT UPDATE. so can we just keep this stuff off of planned until it reaches a snapshot?KomaSixx 12:38, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


" Note that this page only documents features that were planned at one time but have since been cancelled or fallen into limbo; features that are currently definitively planned for inclusion instead should be listed on Upcoming features. "

the hay bale (not know whether it is an officall block or even name) hasn't been in a snapshot so isn't officially in the game. NOT PLANNED

Bud switch: consider this in LIMBO at the momment. it is not in a snapshot. KomaSixx 12:44, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

can someone help make an actuall desision?

Altitude 1.5.1

Hey, just wondering if you are working on the 1.5.1 Altitude Graphs --Dyon 19:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Overworld is done, about to go on vacation for a few days, so the Nether will hopefully get done next weekend. -- Orthotope 06:18, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Czech translation

Hey there,

You may have noticed it but I'm working on the Czech translation, I have already translated about 110 changes into Czech.

But how much pages have to be translated so it will get its own subdomain? I really want it to get its own subdomain because I don't like the ideo of including other languages in the english wiki.

Greetings Ftwgameshd 17:15, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know how many pages need to be translated to get a subdomain; Wynthyst makes that decision. In addition to having pages translated, there need to be Czech-speaking editors to maintain the new wiki. -- Orthotope 17:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I know you don't decide this but can't we make a seperated wiki for the languages thad don't have a subdomain yet, cause now the other languages spam the english wiki :(

Silverfish wrong edit.

Hi, I thought silverfish could naturally spawn in Extreme Hills Biomes but they do then come out of Monster egg blocks too. Sorry for the mistake. Ftwgameshd 00:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

We all get things wrong sometimes; don't worry about it. -- Orthotope 12:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

More questions

I'm not sure if it's okay that I'm asking you these.

  1. What is the formula for how high a player jumps with Jump Boost X (or a magma cube of size X)?
  2. If this is true, it will debunk a LOT of myths. If you breed two cats of different types, can the new one be of the third type?
  3. Why does the durability of an Unbreaking tool sometimes go UP when I use it? (This is bukkit, not sure if it matters.)
  4. How is speed represented in the code? And what is flying, blocking, sneaking, sprinting, Speed X, eating, and charging with a bow (separately, not together) in relation to walking?
  5. Do experience orbs combine if they're together? Sometimes I pick up an orb left on the ground for a while, and it's always more than a single xp.
  6. What is the difference between "hit the ground too hard" and "fell from a high place"? Also, how is "[player] [did this] while [trying to escape/fighting] [mob]" determined?
  7. If two people chat during the exact same tick, which one happens first? How about joining (on a full but 1 server)?
  8. What layers do end portals and abandoned mineshaft central rooms generate, and what chance is there per chunk for a mineshaft?
  9. A long time ago, I posted on the trivia on Ore "Ore veins can't pass through chunk borders". Is this true, and is there less ore at the edge of a chunk?
  10. Also a long time ago, and you responded "maybe", on Talk:Cactus, does a 4 to 6 block cactus mean one cactus generated on top of another?
  11. Talk:Thunderstorm: Death message says "Player went up in flames". Thunderstorm: Death message says "Player died". Which is it?
  12. With mods, is it possible to get light levels greater than 15, and what happens if there are?
  13. When a command block teleports me, I stop moving for a fraction of a second. How long is this?
  14. On the server join list: I've figured out (what I think): 0-150 ms: 5 bars, 150-300 ms: 4 bars, 300-600 ms: 3 bars, 600-1000 ms: 2 bars, 1-4 s: 1 bar, 4+ s: No connection. Is this right?
  15. Is there any mod that allows me to see the terrain being generated step by step?
  16. How away can a player spawn be from 0,0 and is it different on superflat?
  17. If you drop an item, how long is it before you can pick it up again? Can another player pick it up immediately, or does the delay also apply to the other player?
  18. How far away from the jukebox is the "C418-Playing Disc" message shown, and how long is it shown?
  19. How long is a chat message shown until it starts fading away and until it completely disappears?
  20. Sometimes on the server I go on (bukkit, not many mods though), during lag, a day/night cycle will last more than 20 minutes. When this happens, do furnaces smelt items more slowly, and do items despawn more slowly?
  21. When I join a server, I can go straight in one direction (no pun intended) without the other coordinate changing. At some point later, I can't quite do that. Why is that?
  22. I use mac. When I try to rename an item on an anvil using é (option e), it exits out of the anvil screen when I press the e. Why?
  23. If § worked, and I typed it in chat, then a 6, would the next text I'm typing appear orange even before I press enter?
  24. In an abandoned mine shaft, what is the chance per "room" of a chest, and what is the chance of a cave spider spawner?
  25. How are enchanted books determined what they are (enchantment, level) in dungeons, and is "53%" actually correct? (It's probably lower because of overwriting items.)
  26. What hunger saturation do you begin with when you spawn?
  27. Is it possible for me to edit Minecraft code just by editing the files?
  28. If I have a mod to make wheat grow more quickly, and I join a server, what happens with the wheat?
1. There isn't a simple formula that I know of; I wrote a small program to simulate jumping motion. This is in C, but translating it to Java is trivial:
2. No; it will always be the same as one parent.
3. No idea, could be a Bukkit bug. Let me know if it happens in vanilla as well.
4. The entity motion code is gnarly, which is why I haven't done more with it yet. In general, on each tick entities move depending on their current velocity, accelerate (along all three axes), and experience a constant percentage 'drag' (also on all three axes). Various activities can change the amount of acceleration, which affects the maximum speed that can be reached, but that maximum is never directly written into the code.
5. Nope. Many orbs contain more than one experience point.
6. "Hit the ground too hard" was the original message for death by fall damage; "fell from a high place" appears to be the 1.5 replacement for death by falling with no other cause. There's some sort of system that tracks damage to living entites, but MCP hasn't given much of it meaningful names yet. My guess is that the combination messages are used when you're killed by some sort of environmental damage, but were also hit by a player/mob within the last few seconds. Similar to how mobs drop experience when recently hit by a player, even if that's not what kills them.
7. Chat, server joining, etc. aren't synchronized to ticks; whoever's network packet reaches the server first gets priority.
8. End portal rooms can be anywhere in a stronghold, which can extend from bedrock up to layer 48 or so. Mineshafts start generating at the central room, but I don't know what elevation it's placed at; the code seems to say they all start at the same level, so I know I'm missing something. The chance of one starting in a given chunk is 1%, and it must pass the test of rand(0, 79) < max(abs(chunkX), abs(chunkZ)). In other words, it's 1% once you're at least 80 chunks in either X or Z direction from (0, 0), and progressively less common closer to the center of the map. Since the initial spawn point tends to be near (0, 0), you're not likely to start a new world right on top of a mineshaft.
9. Not certain about this one. Ore generation starts at exact coordinates and doesn't inherently care about chunk boundaries. However, if a vein tries to place blocks in a chunk that hasn't been generated yet, it's possible those blocks will be 'lost' and not exist when that chunk is generated later. Something similar (but going in the other direction) can be seen in ice plains and taiga biomes: the ground in one chunk generates and is covered in snow, then a tree starting in another chunk generates and extends into the first chunk; those leaves are not covered by snow.
10. An individual generated cactus cannot be more than 3 blocks tall, so anything taller must be the result of one generating on top of another (or player-created, of course).
11. I've never been hit, let alone killed, by lightning, but this can be tested in-game. I'll bet there's some mod that lets you trigger lightning strikes wherever you want.
12. In theory, yes, but I doubt anyone will actually do so. It would require major changes to the lighting system, and would have to modify the chunk format, which uses only 4 bits to store the light level for each block.
13. I'm not sure. Depending on the distance you're teleported, there's often some lag as new chunks have to be loaded.
14. Close. The intervals are 0-149 ms, 150-299 ms, 300-599 ms, 600-999 ms, and 1000-3000 ms. The polling connection is set to time out ("no connection") after 3000 ms.
15. I don't know of one. It would be useful, but could be tricky to make (and would make terrain generation very slow).
16. Don't know about this one; I'm not immediately seeing where it chooses the initial spawn point.
17. Mined blocks and most items dropped by entities can be picked up after 10 ticks; items dropped out of inventory windows (including things like crafting tables) can be picked up after 40 ticks. Items created with the /give command can be picked up immediately. The delay is intrinsic to the item, and applies to all players equally.
18. The record playing message is displayed for 60 ticks. Can't find what controls who sees it, though.
19. Chat is displayed for 200 ticks, starts fading after 180 ticks.
20. If the server is under heavy load and takes more than 50 ms to process each tick, it will take longer (in real time) for things to happen, but they will always take the same number of ticks.
21. I believe rotation is quantized, happening in steps that are all multiples of a single small amount. You start facing a cardinal direction, and can turn back and forth a bit and still get back to that direction. After turning too much, the combination of floating-point rounding errors and the yaw angle being normalized to a 360-degree range prevents you from getting back to that exact angle again.
22. Works fine for me. Is option bound to one of your controls?
23. A bit of a moot point since it's impossible, but I don't think the chat input is formatted.
24. Each corridor in a mineshaft has a 1/3 chance of having rails; if it doesn't, there's a 1/23 chance of having a spawner. There are two 1% chances of adding a minecart with chest, placing rails under it if necessary.
25. It looks like enchanted books can generate with any enchantment (chosen randomly) and at any level (chosen randomly from the range available for that enchantment). They have the same chance of appearing as most of the other items, though 53% was incorrect, as people didn't adjust for there now being 12 available items.
26. You start with 5 saturation, enough to make 100 jumps before the food bar starts jittering.
27. Please clarify: which files, and what sort of editing?
28. In multiplayer games, the server controls almost everything that happens, so the growth rate will not be changed. Depending on how the mod is designed, it may appear to grow more quickly, but when you harvest it, the server says what stage it's actually at and what is dropped. This sort of thing is why so many mods are listed as not being multiplayer-compatible. -- Orthotope 12:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
22. (not a question) Option is being used as tab.
24. It seems like chests are more common than spawners, but this says spawners are more common. Also, how can more than one spawner be in a single corridor?
27. For example, changing a single number.
hotdogPi--t--c--QUIZ! 20:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
22. Even with Option being set as the List Players control, it works fine for me in 1.5.1; non-ASCII characters seem to no longer work in 1.6 snapshots, though.
24. I don't have data on the frequency of generated spawners and chests. Multiple corridor pieces can generate sequentially, which will look like a single long corridor.
27. In principle, it's possible to modify the class files with a hex editor. However, without a good understanding of Java bytecode, this will probably just break things and make it crash. -- Orthotope 09:27, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Redstone: Solid vs. Opaque

Have your explorations of the code led you to understand what exactly is checked when determining whether a block can be powered (or cuts redstone dust diagonally)? I've always believed that it was whether a block is opaque or not (which I acknowledge is a property with many exceptions and definition blurrings), but Magix on the forums has popularized the idea that it's based on whether a block is solid. Both terms may be conflating a redstone property with another property (rendering and light propagation, or collision masks), and glowstone at least seems to be an exception to both, so I'm wondering what the code says.

Thanks, —Munin295 · Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Stone Pickaxe.png · 19:53, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Firework Star

Thanks for your help editing the wiki! I last made an edit to Template:History trying to fix this problem. Basically, it's inappropriate to put snapshot development releases as an official release, because they are not official releases. We need a Developmental Releases category on the Template:History so we can properly differentiate between the changes. Can you help with the edit? Silivrenion 21:19, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

History

Maybe it's a good idea to make a history tab on pages like mobs, like when what mob was added and really big changes to mobs?Ftwgameshd 20:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Meeples10 via Kindle Fire

What did he do? It says he has abused multiple accounts, and I looked through his contributions, and he only edited mine and his! I gave him full permission to edit my page(s), and you know why? HE IS ME! That account is for when I use my Kindle Fire to edit the wiki because the formatting is different. Please explain to me what he did, because that is MY account, and I only edited my user page and his. I got on that account and looked at my contributions again, and the only thing I did that is against your rules is fixed a redlink. ONE redlink. Is that really so bad? Meeples10 10:18, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

With very limited exceptions, editors should have only one account on the wiki; see Rule 21. Advertising which device you happen to be editing from is not an adequate reason for using multiple accounts. -- Orthotope 10:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Good eough reason for me! Meeples10 19:54, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Minecraft Xbox 360 Edition Cows

Hello. I didn't mean to mess with you Or have a edit war.But please remember that Cows DO Breed in The Xbox 360 Edition.

Thank You Very Much, --24.126.214.219 15:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't recall saying otherwise, at least not since breeding was implemented in December. I don't edit Xbox edition content much to begin with, since I don't have an Xbox. -- Orthotope 20:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Even More Questions

  1. How are the health, speed, and jump height of a horse determined? The page says it's random.
  2. In the code, what mob category are horses? The page says they can despawn.
  3. If you teleport to a random place, what is the chance of each biome, and is it different depending on how close you are to 0,0 (maybe oceans are less common near 0,0)?
  4. What is the chance of trampling farmland when falling onto it from a height of X? (It seems to be about 80% at 1.25(jump height))
  5. Does redstone ore stop glowing when a block tick occurs? I have never seen it stop glowing right after it lights.
  6. How is Minecraft music determined? Is it in a cycle, and how long is the cycle? If you play a jukebox and go too far away (how many blocks), does it go to normal music?
  7. Is it possible (although extremely rare) for the ground (not talking about trees) to go above layer 128, or is it literally impossible?
  8. How long do your controls not work when you take damage, and how long until you can take damage again?
  9. What is the chance of a zombie pigman spawning in a nether portal per tick?
  10. When I tried Speed 251, the forward arrow didn't work, as if it was -5. When I tried Hunger 251, the game didn't think it was -5; it decreased very rapidly. Why?
  11. How long does it take for players and mobs to switch dimensions in a nether portal?
  12. With random characters ( §k ), can the same character appear twice in a row? If not, how far apart (in time) does the same one have to be?
  13. It seems that rivers are the same size in both default and large biome worlds. Is this true?
  14. Is there any truth to the rumor that the first sheep/ocelot/horse bred will be the type that the baby one is, or is it random?
  15. How does being on fire work? It seems that fire is a negative number, and it increases when the player hits fire or lava, and decreases over time (until a certain point), and if it's above 0, the player is on fire. (Or maybe the positive and negative are switched.) Is this how it works, and how much does each fire thing (lava, fire block, fire aspect, fireball, etc.) affect it?
  16. How is fire caused by lava next to a sign/chest determined? It seems to be less frequent than a block tick.
  17. How often do zombies, spiders, endermen, and silverfish attack when you're touching them, and how often do skeletons shoot?
  18. It seems that skeletons don't shoot if there's a creeper in the way. Is this normal, my imagination, or Bukkit? Does it happen with other mobs in the way?
  19. When I take damage from a mob, my armor durability goes down 1. When I take damage from a player, my armor durability goes down 2. Is this intended?
  20. Do other people see "hotdogPi joined the game" when I click "join server", when the cancel button disappears, when I see the world, or some other time?
  21. How close do you have to be to an item to collect it? It seems like you don't have to actually touch it, but you have to be close. Also, how far away do they stack?
  22. During a "read timed out", I can't open chests or chat, and I don't take damage. Do other players see me stand still, or do they think I have left?
  23. In the end poem, what does the random text ( §k ) actually say?
  • And about the previous set:
22. (not a question) Option is being used as tab.
24. It seems like chests are more common than spawners, but this says spawners are more common. Also, how can more than one spawner be in a single corridor?
27. For example, changing a single number.
hotdogPi--t--c--QUIZ! 20:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
1. I don't have the patience to do much with the obfuscated code (i.e., before there's an MCP release). Mgr seems to have a better understanding of them than I do at this point. My guess is that spawned horse attributes are random, no idea about how breeding them works.
2. The mob categories here are somewhat artificial; they don't exist per se in the code. They might behave like ocelots, despawning only when not tamed.
3. Biome selection code is really complicated, but I can try to get some experimental data.
4. Chance of trampling farmland is rand.nextFloat() < fallDistance - 0.5. Falling less than half a block should never trample it, and falling 1.25 blocks has a 75% chance, which is close to your results. Falling 1.5 blocks or more will always trample it.
5. Glowing redstone ore will turn into non-glowing redstone ore as soon as it gets a block tick. Since these are random, the amount of time they glow can be quite variable; I've seen them go off in less than a second.
6. No idea; I haven't looked at the sound code much yet.
7. In my test worlds, I've never seen the ground go above layer 123. I don't understand the landform generation code nearly well enough to say that it's impossible for it to go above layer 128, but it seems very unlikely.
8. I don't think the controls are actually disabled. Your current movement speed is halved and you are knocked back and upward, which makes it hard to control where you're going, but you don't lose control entirely.
9. Each time a Nether portal block gets a tick, it has a difficultyLevel / 2000 chance of spawning a zombie pigman (never on Peaceful, 1/2000 on Easy, 3/2000 on Hard). Having six blocks of portal makes this test happen more often, but it's still not every game tick.
10. The various potion effects are handled in very different sections of the code. It looks like some of them (such as Speed and Jump Boost) cast the amplifier to a byte, making values over 127 get treated as negative. Those with periodic effects (such as Hunger) keep the amplifier as an int, so values over 127 stay positive and large.
11. Players normally take 4 seconds (80 ticks) before they are teleported. Players in Creative mode and all other entities are teleported immediately. After teleporting, players have a 0.5 second (10 tick) cooldown beforet they can be teleported again. Other entities (including zombie pigmen spawned by portals) have a 45 second (900 tick) cooldown.
12. Nothing prevents the same character from being used twice in a row; they just have to be the same width.
13. Biome generation has a fractal-like nature, starting small and progressively zooming in as more features are added. Ice plains are added early, which is why they tend to be so large compared to other biomes. Large Biomes worlds are zoomed two more times than regular worlds, which makes most biomes bigger. Rivers are added after these additional zoom levels, so yes, they should be the same size.
14. Sheep explicitly randomize the baby's color (if the colors of the parents can't be combined). For cats, it matches the color of whichever one initiates breeding. When both are trying to mate with the other, it's very hard to predict which one will start it. Sitting cats cannot initiate breeding, which is a useful trick for controlling the color of offspring. As for horses, their appearance is complex enough that I'm not even going to guess as to how breeding them works.
15. Close, though the 'fire' counter is never negative. If it's positive, it decreases by one every tick, and does one point of fire damage every 20 ticks. The Fire Protection enchantment reduces burning time by 15% per level, though only the highest-level item counts (multiple enchanted items don't stack).
Cause Burn time
Lava 15 seconds
Fire block 8 seconds
Lightning strike
Skeleton or zombie exposed to sun
Blaze fireball 5 seconds
Fire charge
Flaming arrow
Fire Aspect enchantment 4 seconds per level
Attack by unarmed burning zombie 2, 4, or 6 seconds, depending on difficulty (chance is 30%, 60%, or 90%)
16. Only 'stationary' lava can cause fires. Here, 'stationary' just means that it's not updating its flow (spreading or receding); whether the lava appears to be moving or still does not matter, nor does whether or not it's a source block. On each block tick, it tries to set fires in one of two ways. The first, which happens one-third of the time, is that it picks three blocks on the same layer, up to one block away in both the x and z directions (i.e., somewhere in a 3x3 square centered on the lava). If any of those blocks are made of a flammable material and have air above them, fire is set on top of that block.
The second method requires that the block directly above the lava be air. A random block in a 3x3 square one layer above the lava is chosen; if any of the six blocks adjacent to it are made of flammable materials, fire is set there. There's a 50% chance of repeating this another layer up, requiring an air block and setting fire two layers above the lava.
17. Most mobs can attack every 20 ticks. Iron golems can attack every 10 ticks (I think). Blazes can attack in melee every 20 ticks; with fireballs, the delay is either 6, 60, or 100 ticks, depending on which state they're in. Witches can attack every 32 ticks. Skeletons can attack every 20-60 ticks, more frequently the closer their target is to themselves.
18. I don't see anything obvious that would do this. Can you replicate it in vanilla Minecraft?
19. Hmm. This one is bugging me, because what I see in the code does not at all match what happens in-game. In the code, it looks like the amount of durability lost is proportional to the amount of damage done. In-game, unarmed mobs seem to always remove 1 point of durability, and armed mobs (zombies and zombie pigmen) remove 1, 2, or 3 points, depending on difficulty (easy/normal/hard); actual damage inflicted doesn't matter.
20. I don't know this one; I've mostly worked with client code, not so much the server and network management stuff.
21. The bounding box of item entities is a 0.25 block cube. They will stack with other items that are within 0.5 blocks of themselves horizontally. Players are 0.6 blocks wide and 1.8 blocks tall; they can pick up items that are within 1 block horizontally and 0.5 blocks vertically. As far as I can tell, only some part of the item's bounding box must be within the search area, not the entire thing.
22. If the connection between client and server is lost, the character will stand still (as if the player is AFK) until the connection times out on the server's side.
23. The original text that is replaced by random characters is a random 3-8 character substring of "XXXXXXXX".
Responses to the previous set of questions are above. -- Orthotope 09:27, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Recent vandal strike

Don't bother with blocking the 199.231.84.## addresses. I did a range block. Kanegasi C 22:21, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Deletion

You recently deleted User:70.181.68.266/Sandbox, and I was wondering if you could undo the delete, move the contents to the bottom of this page (I'll deal with it later), and delete the page again? It had all of 70.181.68.226's hard work on it (userboxes, templates, etc). Go Pigs! ×Meeples10×Talk
Contribs
10:28, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I'd prefer have them create an account and restore it to their own userspace, rather than using someone else's. -- Orthotope talk 12:38, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

About the creeper page incident...

Thanks for restoring the pages to their rightful place. I have no idea why someone would do what the vandal did! --71.118.222.30 01:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Because some people are stupid, and like to make everyone else aware of that. -- Orthotope talk 03:57, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
How... stupid. --71.118.222.30 04:36, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Size of spawning area of mob packs

In Spawn there is a photo describing the mechanics of mob packs spawning. According to the description the spawning area is 41x1x41.
In :File:Spawning_science.jpg there is the exact same photo with the exact same description only that in this page it reads that the spawning area is 11x1x11.
Both cases can't be valid at the same time. One is wrong and should be edited. I leave it up to you to correct it since you undid my edit. 94.69.14.220 09:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC)purple

After a bit of digging through source code, it seems you are correct; my apologies. The image doesn't show a 41x1x41 area, which is why I thought your edit was incorrect; providing an edit summary explaining changes is helpful. -- Orthotope talk 19:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
This is why in the description in Spawn it reads "(not to scale)". But there was no clarification in the description of the second link.
OK, I'll keep that in mind for the future. 94.69.13.174 23:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)purple

Some more questions

1. There are conflicting statements about the light level that a spider stops being hostile. I have seen 6, 9, and 11 (6 is definitely wrong). What is the actual value?

2. What is the exact number (as a fraction or decimal) for the minimum height to take fall damage? It seems like the number is between 3 and 4. Also, would this deal less than half a heart of damage?

3. With Fortune, it seems like redstone ore drops 4-(5 plus Fortune). However, lapis lazuli has each drop be 1-(1+fortune), effectively multiplying it. Is this correct?

4. Can zombies see through anything, or just wooden doors?

5. Are silverfish blocks in extreme hills considered an ore in the code?

6. What are the chances of contents in Nether Fortress chests?

7. How exactly does spam kicking in vanilla work?

8. How exactly do witches spawn? Is it similar to how Nether Fortresses spawn different mobs than the rest of the Nether?

9. The riches variable is currently "unknown, but increases when trading". Is it what allows rarer offers when more offers are made?

10. It seems like mineshafts do not generate close to each other. I have never seen anyone report 2 center rooms close to each other, while it should be a 1 in 25 chance (as long as they are far enough from 0,0), and if diagonal touching is counted, it's about a 1 in 13 chance. Is there a reason why it never happens, or is it just that nobody has found it to be special?

hotdogPi-t--c--Try my quiz! Do not click! 00:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

The Player

Thanks for reverting the edit by 50.40.85.35. I said this because I didn't think it was fair to thank Kanegasi and not give you any credit! I looked at the recent changes, and I was sure we had another vandal on the loose! Lucky our admins are so attentive. --70.181.68.226 04:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Question about Upcomin' Features

I've had a rather close eye on the Upcomin' Features pages fer quite some time, and have seen some things get pulled off without an official project cancelin' from Mojang and no mention in the Unimplemented Features page. I've kept a policy ta restore legitimate information t'the Upcomin' Features section that is backed by Jens, but now that information's been moved 'round the "Mentioned" section.... an' I got's ta wonder, why is informations that hasn't been debunked in there? More specifically, the "Panda", "Day and Night Cycles, and Seasons", "Collidin' Clouds", and "More Sea Life" implementations. Them four are still possible, an haven't been dropped or overridden by any new idea like the scarecrow with Snow Golems. I must be missin' somethin' because it's bein' treated as if it's a reasonable thing.

Just some clarity would be mighty nice so I can stop worryin'. ClockSpiral 20:50, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh, also the Spike Block under the Dropped In Limbo section. That feature is just as valid as the Red Dragons, an' oughta be kept in the Upcomin' Features section as well. ClockSpiral 20:55, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Mojang usually doesn't announce that they've cancelled or dropped an idea. In general, when they haven't made any further mention of a feature in over a year, I think it's safe to assume it isn't being actively worked on. If they do take up any of these ideas again, they can be moved back to the Upcoming Features page. -- Orthotope talk 21:38, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Aye aye, I'll keep that in mind. Thank yas fer clarifyin'! ClockSpiral 07:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Herobrine/editcopy

You've asked for this to be deleted as an "unnecessary vandal target": I do agree there's a bunch of vandalism to this page, but did you not notice almost all of it was from IPs? I would suggest protecting this to Autoconfirmed rather than delete it. t numbermaniac c 03:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Maybe, though I don't think that will be completely effective. I'd be more inclined to keep the page if people were actually using it for its intended purpose: aside from a few tweaks you've made to links, all of the edits have been vandalism. I'm willing to give it a bit longer, but if people aren't making any constructive use of the page, I don't see a point in having it; proposing edits on the talk page has been working well enough. -- Orthotope talk 03:44, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I guess so. It's just that I don't like the idea of having to pester an admin every time I want the page edited :P. then again, that page is only one month old, and you're right, it's virtually a lot of vandalism. Meh, see how it goes for a while, if it doesn't work out, delete it. t numbermaniac c 04:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Redundant much?

You say you enjoy correcting wikis. Well, I've found mistakes in your posts before, so I was just wondering, Isn't that redundant? Sorry to bother you, Phoenixx 22:10, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

File extension ".png" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (image/jpeg).

Hi,

When I try to upload a file it says: File extension ".png" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (image/jpeg).

What does this mean and how do I fix it?

Greetings, TheWombatGuru 00:42, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

It means you're trying to uplead a jpeg image over a png, which MediaWiki doesn't allow. You'll need to either find png versions of the original image, or convert them with a graphics editor. -- Orthotope talk 00:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
ThanksTheWombatGuru 06:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

1.6.2 Altitude Graphs

Hey there, Orthotope,
Could you update the Altitude Graphs to the Minecraft version 1.6.2, please?
Thanks in advance, --Dyon 20:28, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

What happened to the grid's image?

I'm trying to edit the recipes of Items in "Crafting/vi" but some of the links has either broken down or being vandalize - some of the images won't show. I'll show you the link: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crafting/Miscellaneous/vi Please help me, thank you! LeonTheIcyWave 02:01, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Fixed for the moment, it just doesn't show black carpets. I'll ask Ultradude to investigate, since he wrote the crafting grid system. -- Orthotope talk 02:50, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your help! :)
Although the mossy cobblestone didn't show up, I'm still glad! -- LeonTheIcyWave 03:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Question about a video

my tutorial on finding diamonds (branch mining) has been on here for over a half year (I guess its a bit more). A month ago someone remade my video and replaced my video (on this wiki) with his. A week ago I replaced it again with mine, because the video wasn't better, even worse. Now he replaced it again. Is there a way to stop this? He even used the same effects (speeding up the video) on the same places as I did. His video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7hdl3xalMA My one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyOnnecS-6Q –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Ritonda66 (talkcontribs) 10:52, 6 August 2013 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

EDIT: Now he even removed/replaced all my diamond video links from wiki. He started to remove my other videos too. Ban him please. SH0NX is his name. If you read this SH0NX, gtfo. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Ritonda66 (talkcontribs) 15:02, 6 August 2013 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

I don't see a big difference in both the videos, I prefer a voice, but your video had better quality. TheWombatGuru 11:30, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
SH0NX: I'm sorry for removing videos that are not necessary in places that you are putting them. Your videos are extremly good, but are not beneficial for the ones that you are replacing, someone would rather watch a video with a commentary because it's easier to follow. I'm just helping "newbies" get better a the game the easiest way possible. SH0NX 15:08, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
For me, It would be OK if your videos were better then mine. But they are not. You just copied my trap/idea/system and made them with voice. That's not OK. I would let your videos, if they were BETTER then mine,not by presentation, if the trap works better for example, but in this way they are not. You are trying to advertise the vids, but in a rude way. Removing great content just to get views for your new channel. Why don't use creativity to invent better systems to do stuff and only then upload it instead copying it from other people? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Ritonda66 (talkcontribs) 15:23, 6 August 2013 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~
Why don't you make "unique" videos instead of making old and outdated ones and using MCWiki to advertise them? SH0NX 15:28, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
+1 to User:SH0NX
TheWombatGuru 15:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

You just made an argument against yourself. Everything you said in your 'argument' are you doing yourself. You copied my tutorial and you are advertising them too. My videos are 'unique'. The music disc farm has not been in this form on the wiki before. Well the diamond tutorial is not very unique, but it has elements of it, which you copied. None of the tutorials I've seen told them to make them a little place next to the mine entrance. Superflat survival: I made it on my own, there are no tutorials who were out for it before me. (I consider lets plays not as a tutorial) Mushroom farm: You can't make a video about that really unique, there is just one way to do that. I can continue this list but I have other stuff to do. Well, when I was making my videos, it was mostly over a half year ago. At this time they were not outdated. So don't tell me I'm doing old and outdated videos. Why didn't you just place your videos next to me, since they're nearly equally good instead editing it? Many tutorial pages have a list of videos. (For example snow farm) –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Ritonda66 (talkcontribs) 16:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

I didn't remove anything that you've posted that i considered to be good content. I UPDATED yous because it's easier to follow a video that has commentary. Therefore the "Commentated" videos are better/easier to follow. I didn't remove your Flatland videos did i? That's because even tho they aren't supposed to be there and should have a commentary but they can stay because i see them as maybe being useful. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by SH0NX (talkcontribs) 16:10, 6 August 2013 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~
Honestly, neither of you has done much for the wiki aside from posting links to your own videos. I don't watch youtube videos much, so I don't have an opinion on whose are 'better'. Including both sounds like a reasonable solution; edit-warring over this will get you blocked. -- Orthotope talk 16:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

He already deleted my diamond video from the whole wiki. So I'm not allowed to change it back now? (It was on 3 different pages before, but he edited them all)Ritonda66

Dutch wiki: Admin is blocked

Hello,

I tried to edit something on the dutch wiki ( same name ), and I got blocked by a stupid filter. The Dutch admin User:CrazyBliep (dutch page) unblocked me because I didn't do anything wrong. I did the same thing because I wanted to edit that page, and got blocked again Same admin unblocked me, and I told him what I tried to edit, but now he is blocked himself...

Take a look at the-dutch-recent-changes-page

TheWombatGuru 13:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

He unblocked himself, didn't expect he could do that. Nevermind TheWombatGuru 13:10, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Templates...

Hi, I'm working on a project of mine, but I'm stuck, I'm trying to create a Biome nav template but the little pictures in the template aren't the right ones, could you take a look? I'd really like to understand all this template stuff. User:TheWombatGuru/Template:Biome TheWombatGuru 22:24, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

You don't have an image parameter in User:TheWombatGuru/Template:BiomeSprite, so it's using the default sprite sheet, which is BlockCSS.png (see Template:Sprite). -- Orthotope talk 00:36, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, it still doesn't work ;p but now it uses the BiomeCSS.png file. TheWombatGuru 07:14, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
sheetsize should be the width of the sprite sheet. It currently thinks you're using a sprite sheet just 12 pixels wide. -- Orthotope talk 08:15, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, it works :) TheWombatGuru 08:17, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

File:Linux.svg

I think File:Linux.svg can be unprotected now. I was unable to upload the newest version of the file. thank you--007a83 (Talk|Contribs) 09:21, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Why do we need a new version of it? -- Orthotope talk 16:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Because the image has been changed since that upload.--007a83 (Talk|Contribs) 21:27, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 Done ultradude25Talk
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– 21:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Please unblock "mojang tommo"

He is indeed real: Click! --Pilzsuppe Pilzsuppe, bairisch Schwammerlsuppe Email / Disc de.minecraftwiki Admin 09:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry. It would have helped if he'd done anything beforehand to indicate who he is. New accounts that delete content without explanation tend to be vandals, not Mojang employees. -- Orthotope talk 13:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, there were no way you could have known. Thanks for unblocking :) --Pilzsuppe Pilzsuppe, bairisch Schwammerlsuppe Email / Disc de.minecraftwiki Admin 15:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

IKJames, and Resource packs.

Hello! For a start, 1: I have a question regarding IKJames It lists him as a Administrator, but when I look at his talk page, it reads:

	"IKJames is inactive.

IKJames has not edited since June 2011, so he will probably not receive any comments left here. Please keep this in mind before leaving a comment."

2 years of inactivity is a very long time. Maybe remove him as a Admid considering he is no longer helping. OR, If that is not aloud, Maybe just list it on the Directors page that he is inactive so folks won't wast time.

and 2:

Can I or any one who can, list the available Resource Packs on there respective page if found? Just wanted permission. Thanks. 76.0.96.148 17:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Ore distribution charts

Hi Orthotope! Can send me the code for generating those Ore Distribution charts? I already made my own code to extract block distribution info, but your chart design rocks! What app/module/library you used to plot the chart? you can send to minecraft a_t rodrigosilva d.o.t com , thanks! MestreLion 21:04, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Upcoming Features Broke Page

Thanks so much for fixing that page, I have been trying for a while... all it was, was that bracket at the bottom :/ Deblob167 15:39, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Any pocket edition (0.8.0/0.7.4/0.9.0) Release dates?

Hey just wondering if anybody has any release dates of those above. Thanks Luitenant Tank ,pocket edition player.

Given that 0.7.3 just came out and they're still being worked on, no. Historically, updates have been anywhere from 1 to 3 months apart, so expect a similar timeframe. -- Orthotope talk 16:21, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Meeples10's Schematic Pack

Can you restore it so I can get it back on my computer? I will mark it for deletion after I've copied it. Meeples10 t ~ c 14:46, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Done. Unless you own the site something is hosted on, always keep a copy on your computer. -- Orthotope talk 17:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. Meeples10 t ~ c 17:55, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Biome project

Hello,

Me and Meeples10 have created pages for all the biomes, I think this shows theirs enough to tell, can we copy/paste them to the main namespace so others can help expanding it?

-- TheWombatGuru t | c NL Admin 14:50, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Here's the navigation template so you can find the pages User:TheWombatGuru/Template:Biome
Honestly, I still don't think there's enough content for individual pages at this point. I don't see anything new that isn't already on Biomes, and several are just a single sentence. If there isn't more to be said about each biome, I don't see the point of creating dozens of tiny pages; 1.7 is expected to add quite a few more, which will make the situation even worse. -- Orthotope talk 15:44, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Ok, so you think there would be too many pages? I don't see that as a problem, yes it is a problem that the pages are tiny, but it's still a work in progress. We could merge the technical biomes into the normal biome pages (for example Frozen Ocean into Ocean)? Would that be ok? Also with the implementation of 'continents' there is again more to say about each biome. -- TheWombatGuru t | c NL Admin 15:56, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I could add {{stub}} to the pages. Meeples10 t ~ c 15:57, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Orthotope -- there isn't enough content to justify separate pages. My objection isn't that adding a bunch of pages to the wiki is bad -- it's simply more useful to the reader to have the all of the biome content on the same page where you can more easily compare and contrast the different biomes. The page should only be broken up if there's so much content that it's difficult to navigate on a single page (like the old redstone circuits page), and the biome page is nowhere near that. At most I could see breaking up the biome table into actual biome subsections, but that's it.
Also, this is a discussion that should be taking place on the Biome talk page, not an admin's talk page.
Munin295 · Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Stone Pickaxe.png · 16:19, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I personally think there is no point creating separate pages for all the biomes. It will be better if you combine all the biomes into one 'Biomes' page. Elim01 t | c 02:18, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Tooltip values from source

Would you be able to tell me what the background colour, gradient colour stops of the border and opacity of the tooltips when you hover over items in the inventory are? I'm pretty sure this is done in the code, because I couldn't find a texture responsible for it. I need them for a little something something I'm making. ultradude25Talk
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– 03:04, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks like the main background color is #100010, transparency 0xf0. Top border uses #5000ff, bottom border #28007f, sides are a gradient between those, all with transparency 0x50. Text uses standard formatting code colors. -- Orthotope talk 08:17, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! ultradude25Talk
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– 08:49, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Dutch Template:Blocks

Hello,

The english wiki got a template update for the :nl:Template:Blocks template, the .css files were updated or something like that. Thereby it doesn't work on the dutch wiki anymore, could you take a look at it, thanks. Also, the Template:Biome on the english wiki doesn't work like the other navigation templates, we have to use • between the different biomes instead of just making a list using the *, when you do that it lists it instead of after each other.

Greetings, -- TheWombatGuru t | c NL Admin 16:01, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Ultradude uploaded a new version of :File:BlockCSS.png; because the same image backend is being used, the dutch wiki doesn't recognize that the size has changed. Downloading his version and re-uploading it on the dutch wiki should fix things. Not sure what's up with the biome nav template; ultra is much more of an expert on CSS issues. -- Orthotope talk 16:13, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Are the Priest trade values correct?

I've been looking into the detail of how villager values are calculated, and saw in the talk history that you have contributed many of the calculations on the trading page.

Looks like back in December you made a revision to the Priest calculations with the note "updates from 1.4.5 source code - enchantments are rarer", but there were no corresponding changes to the "Probability Values". Is there something in the code, besides probability value, that makes the enchantments rarer?

When I do a straight calculation from the probability values to determine how common gold trade should be (the chance that no items were added to the "hat") I get the old value, 10.1246:

  Product of (1 - Probability Value) for each trade offer

Also, in a related discussion on Minecraft forums, someone else ran a large computer simulation, and came up with a value around 10.1.

So are the probability values for the priest incorrect? Was there a code change in a later version that reverted the 1.4.5 edits?

--MegaTrain 14:50, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

I'll look into this. -- Orthotope talk 16:19, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Your block of Age2empires2020

While I agree his actions required attention (as they have in the past), I cannot condone your lack of actual contact with the user regarding his block. In EVERY case where you block a user for bad behavior, you as an admin need to address the user directly on their talk page and provide an explanation, and offer constructive feedback for the future. Block comments are not sufficient. This is part of the responsibility you accepted when you agreed to become an admin here. Btw.. thanks for all the good work you do, I'd just like to see more constructive interaction with new/novice/problematic users. -- Wynthyst Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png talk 00:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Broken template doc

Why is Template:Crafting/doc broken? - Mchest83 · Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Wooden Pickaxe.png · 06:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not just the doc, the whole template is broken. Kanegasi and I are trying to figure it out. —Fenhl 06:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure how to even start with a template like that, but what bothers me is that I don't readily see anything that happened recently to cause it. Someone reverted the template's usage on sticks and wood Planks almost two hours ago, so it has apparently been broken for longer. Kanegasi C 06:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
There's nothing you can do to fix it. It's the loops extension that broke today, which that template heavily relies on. MattTalk
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⎜ 06:44, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
It didn't occur to me that something internal could've did that. Here I am scouring the recent changes wondering how something broke without a change to go with it lol. Kanegasi C 06:47, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

IPs creating pages?

Since when can they do that? They usually only create them for vandalism/spam purposes, as I have seen in the recent changes. Meeples10t ~ c 17:47, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Why do we even have the option of ip editting... Of course this results in more edits, but why would you want to edit without making an account? -- TheWombatGuru t | c NL Admin 18:52, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Article of the Day/Week Idea

I noticed we don't have a random page of the day or week. Shouldn't we make it? Why? Okay, it could be automated. - Mchest83 · Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Wooden Pickaxe.png · 18:51, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

The community portal is a better place for this discussion. It could be done; the trick would be getting enough user involvement to pick an article for every day. -- Orthotopetalk 19:01, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
I, for one, think this is a good idea. Meeples10t ~ c 19:56, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Discussion above copied to community portal, with my comment. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 22:05, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

86.41.118.152 vandalism

Sorry, I'm not sure how to know which admins are active at any given time, but 86.41.118.152 has been vandalizing multiple pages, including reverting mention of themselves and blaming someone else on the admin notice board. I'm sure an admin will notice soon, but perhaps letting you know in this fashion will accelerate the process. Cultist O (talk) 21:23, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I just undid the IP's edit to this section when he/she renamed it to "Cultist O vandalism." Meeples10t ~ c 22:29, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

24.66.210.104

Could you rollback the edits by this ip on Tutorials/Things not to do? He/she messed up the "when you are using mods" section. Meeples10t ~ c 17:32, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't take an admin to undo multiple edits. Go to the page history, compare the current version with the one you want to revert to, and hit 'undo'. However, they may have a point that mod-specific information doesn't belong in a general, non-mod-related article. -- Orthotopetalk 18:30, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I didn't know that. Meeples10t ~ c 20:15, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Please delete file, clicked on wrong one by accident

Please delete :File:M10 custom vector skin.PNG. Meeples10t ~ c 01:55, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Important things have been marked out. Meeples10t ~ c 02:20, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Excessively strict exile of "Outdated" mods.

You seem to have pulled out all mods targeting versions before 1.6. Unfortunately, that includes the brand new and high-profile qCraft mod. That one was targeted for 1.5.2, specifically so it would work with the biggest mod packs. I haven't tried much to track down those packs themselves or their components, (some of which likely have stale entries), mostly because I don't play much with mods myself. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 10:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

It's been almost four months since 1.6 was released, which has given mod authors plenty of time to update; I see no reason why the mod pack compilers can't make 1.6 versions, leaving out the mods that aren't being actively worked on. I don't like making special exceptions, but it looks like they just released a 1.6.4 version, so they're back on the active list. -- Orthotopetalk 14:45, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I don't agree with removing anything to be honest. Since the launcher allows you to play any version without the tricky downgrading people used to do, that opens up all mods to be used regardless of what version they were last relevant on. Kanegasi C 17:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Listing every mod ever made really isn't feasible; the pages would be huge, and there's no way to filter the lists by compatible version. Does it still make sense for the wiki to maintain a mods list, or should we switch to using Curse's database, like we have with resource packs? -- Orthotopetalk 19:25, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
If Curse has a working database that we can use, I'd certainly suggest deferring to them. Maintaining that sort of listing is fundamentally a nightmare for a Wiki. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 23:39, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I think that would be great since i did some work on the mods/Portal page. it would be terrible to lose all that information, especially since it's kind of difficult to install forge on 1.6 and higher, due to new programming. besides, a lot of good mods run on 1.5.2, so it would be cool if other people could learn about the mods, not download a lot of crummy stuff because they could not get any information, and have lots of fun because this wiki could tell them which mods are fun to play. -- Blueninja66 01:16, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello

Your opinion is wanted at the Community Portal about something similar to Wikipedia's Twinkle for the Minecraft Wiki.

Requesting ban

Hello, I am Mooshroom2 and I have a request for a ban.Tyevskyo has done nothing but spam false information on the upcoming pocket edition updates and when he doesn't get his way, he re-adds his edit and reverts ours including yours. It's gotten so bad that a guy notified Tommaso because Tyevskyo add the end and nether in the page and Tommaso denied it. He is just spreading rumors and making the wiki look bad, I suggest you ban User:Tyevskyo–Preceding unsigned comment was added by Walkingmooshroom2 (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Can players see other player's skins when playing on a LAN server without internet?

Title ^ :) (or is there a way to see them somehow without internet) Blueninja66 01:30, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Skins are retrieved from Amazon's AWS cloud servers, so no; if you don't have an internet connection, everyone will use the default 'Steve' skin. -- Orthotopetalk 02:27, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! i really wanted to get this straight once and for all. -- Blueninja66 01:03, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Question

Sorry to bother you, but you could I get the text to wrap on User:Meeples10/π? Meeples10t ~ c 23:43, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Found it on MediaWiki. Meeples10t ~ c 00:41, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
It doesn't work. Please help! Meeples10t ~ c 10:46, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
style = "word-wrap: break-word" Kanegasi C 11:28, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

how?

How do i change my user image? Blueninja66 (talk) 04:33, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Try http://www.curse.com/my-profile/avatars . -- Orthotopetalk 21:49, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Blueninja66 (talk) 04:33, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


mobs/mob.png

please help edit this on mobs/talk. Blueninja66 (talk) 17:18, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

No such biomes..?

Hi.

Not entirely sure if the edits you reverted by SquareMan78649 are in fact inaccurate.

I seem to recall some of them from a video I watched (which I can't currently place as I'm at work). The one thing I'm not sure of tho is if that vid involved mods...hence the comment here instead.

That said, {{cn}} at least...e.g. an F3 screenshot showing the names. --GufNZ (c: (talk) 22:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Every biome in the unmodded game has a unique name and ID number. The ones he added have the same ID as other biomes, and their names do not exist anywhere in the source code. -- Orthotopetalk 22:59, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Entities Template

Why did you change the entities template? There are zombie villager jockeys and zombie pigmen jockeys in the new update. There is also evidence of pandas from a tweet by dinnerbone. The 2.0 mobs should also be added since they were in the game once. MooshroomDragon (talk) 23:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Just one Chicken Jockey link will do. We don't have the Spider Jockey split either. Pandas were only mentioned and nothing says they are actually planned. As for Minecraft 2.0, that was never a part of the game. It was a separate joke version and was never available through the launcher. All Minecraft 2.0 content on this wiki will stay confined to its article and any mention of it will be restricted to "See also" links in articles similar to what was found in that version, such as Block of Coal or Stained Glass. Kanegasi C 00:23, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

The spider jockeys are split so therefore so should the chicken jockeys. As for the others, I am fine with that. MooshroomDragon (talk) 01:38, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Source

Hi, I notice you added the chicken jockey info based on source code. I use MCP (Mod coder pack) to look at source, but that takes quite a time to update - it could be weeks or months before they get 1.7 sorted out. So can you tell me how you're looking at the source? Because I'd like to be able to see source too.

Thanks in anticipation. 88.104.30.148 04:33, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I used fernflower (included in MCP) to decompile the 1.7.4 jar. It's still obfuscated – all the classes, methods, and fields have meaningless names – so it's harder to understand, but not impossible. Most of the code hasn't changed since 1.6.4, so I look at the deobfuscated code from that version as well. When blocks of code in corresponding classes have the same structure, I infer that they're still the same, which gives me some more meaningful names and lets me focus on the sections that have changed. It's slow work, so I usually only do it to find specific pieces of information. -- Orthotopetalk 04:53, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I understand, I'll give that a try, thanks! 88.104.30.148 05:45, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

"Fruitland" mess

Found out what it might be about. Search the following on Google Maps:

  • 40.212404,-110.839761 - Fruitland, Utah, USA
  • 38.322163,-75.619728 - Fruitland, Maryland, USA
  • 44.007821,-116.916544 - Fruitland, Idaho, USA
  • 48.071505,-118.19823 - Fruitland, Washington, USA

Meeples10t ~ c 22:08, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

ogg-files in German Wiki

Thanks for uploading appropriate ogg-files - we were wondering already about that problem... Sumpfhuette (talk) 08:56, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Deleting Items with source

http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/User:Itouchmasterpro will not stop bombing pages by deleting stuff with sources. Is this allowed? --Tyevskyo (talk) 16:05, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Those sources say nothing about the features you're adding; you cannot make assumptions about what the developers are going to add. Stop edit warring. -- Orthotopetalk 18:46, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Moderate Tyevskyo?

Hey Orthotope, I have been noticing lately that Tyevskyo has been trying to control the upcoming updates of pocket edition and and reverts everyone's edits and always try to threaten them by saying he will report them. I kind of fell like he is forgetting multiple people edit this wiki and does not see that sometimes his edits are not always good. I ask if you could possibly give him a warning since he has been doing unwanted things lately.

~~User:Walkingmooshroom2~~

Admins

What methods does this wiki use to elect new admins? Is it also possible for me to have administrator prove ledges?

We have not established a formal election policy. Generally, you bring your request to me, and I look through your contributions, and discuss the situation with the rest of the admin team. If we agree that a new admin is needed, and that you have shown yourself to be helpful to the community, and your contributions are bettering the wiki, I might promote you. -- Wynthyst Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png talk 16:47, 24 December 2013 (UTC)