Talk:Fish (mob)

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Somebody has messed up the fish page and put "lol fish r cool" i've checked the page code and there's nothing. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by (Talk) 21:14, 11 November 2011. Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Possible deletion?[edit]

Notch hasn't said anything about fish for about a year. I don't think he is still planning on adding them. Then again, there was the infamous case of the Enderdragon. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by (Talk) 14:51, 13 November 2011. Please sign your posts with ~~~~

I believe this page should be deleted. Notch has thought of adding dozens of things, most of which are just ideas with no real plan. The Dragon was something notch kept hinting about throughout the long, long period since he mentioned it until it was developed, even putting in a Splash about it. It's an exception, this definitely isn't. -- 18:55, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
If I was editing this as a normal article I would remove 100% of it as speculative, outdated or using weasel words (It doesn't matter if "Some people think that...") This page really needs to go. --Moxxy 05:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Notch/Jeb didn't find a model, so the thing was to be added in later updates. -- ZackWindhog 10:08, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I personally don't think it should be deleted. It should be kept; if not for fact, then nostalgia. Besides, Notch could be adding them as a prefix mob. He's alwas said he would add hostile water mobs, so maybe he'll add Pihranas or sharks or some other water mob. Just my opinion.--Apocalyptic Builder 00:10, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

There's no nostalgia though, it never existed. The prefix mob concept has been dead for a long time and Notch doesn't even work on Minecraft anymore. --Moxxy 01:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
I agree with not deleting fishes, at least not yet. I wouldn't say they are nostalgia, but fishes seem to be the most simple and speculated for a next soon-to-be water mob. Now that Jeb runs the main development, perhaps there would be a chance that he might check out Notch's ancient idea, or even think of his own. --ThingsStuffsObjects 03:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I believe it should stay, as after all it WAS in the coding at one point. Just because it didn't physically appear in the game doesn't mean the page shouldn't exist. Oh wait, this wiki wants to be incomplete as just because the player couldn't see it in gameplay the object in question must not have been planned or existed in some form. Why don't we delete the pigmen article then? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Ivyn (Talk|Contribs) 05:47, 8 February 2012. Please sign your posts with ~~~~

EXACTLY. They existed in the coding, but weren't visisble. Therefore they were technically in the game. --Apocalyptic Builder 12:34, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
it wasnt in the coding if it was notch would of take the time to make a model and a texture and pigmen have the texture and people like them WAY more –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Enderdragon (Talk|Contribs) 01:02, 11 February 2012. Please sign your posts with ~~~~
Yes, it was. Fish coding was put in the game during the Haloween update, but because Notch was busy with other things he never found time to make a model. I haven't checked in awhile, but I'm pretty sure the fish coding is still there. Check it yourself. Also, next time you make a comment sign it with four tildes. --Apocalyptic Builder 13:57, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
I cannot find any such code. While MCP decompilation of Alpha 1.2.1 produces an EntityFish class, this is actually the fishing hook, not a mob. -- Orthotope 19:33, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea not to delete this page7, but instead make a model for the fish which would allow for the cats and ocelots to hunt fish. (Sparda3092 18:34, 11 February 2012 (UTC))

A mod to add fish would be possible, but belongs on the forum, rather than here. -- Orthotope 19:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
What is the code's class file? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by (Talk) 13:07, 8 July 2012. Please sign your posts with ~~~~
There isn't one; it was never implemented. -- Orthotope 19:33, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

No way fish are absolutely needed i cant let mineraft stop without fish mobs Zigzagar 23:42, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Having retrieved the talk page..." clownfish will be the only way to tame cats"?[edit]

Does anyone have an actual citation for that? It certainly qualifies as "new and surprising". --MentalMouse42 (talk) 19:18, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

And... it turns out to be the only edit from an anonymous IP. Reverting. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 19:32, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Fish bucket[edit]

Why is there a redirect and a whole item section for fish buckets on this page. Fish buckets should have their own page. --Pepijn (talk) 10:41, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Move to Fish[edit]

This would be more consistent with pages such as Chicken, with its food equivalents being moved to Raw Chicken and Cooked Chicken respectively. - MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 21:52, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

 Support--Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngMadminecrafter12TalkContributions 22:30, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 SupportFuzs 23:16, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Support Sealbudsman talk/contr 03:46, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
 Oppose. Having read the opposing arguments below, I believe the chicken analogy is flawed enough that I remove my support, sorry. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 03:02, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
So far 3 supports (4 including the original idea), and no opposes. If there are no strong objections, I think I will move the page later today.--Orange Glazed Terracotta.png Madminecrafter12TC 15:28, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Because you're asking for it, I  Oppose. There was a reason for the (mob) suffix, and that reason is in-game naming, I believe. Chicken is actually the name of the mob how it appears in game, but because fish is a collective for all the different types, they have other, more specific names in the game. And to make it clear what the name of this page points to, as it does not appear in game for the content that it is representing, a suffix is used to clarify what the page is about. If there were only one type of fish and it was called "fish" in the game, you would definitely have my vote. – Jack McKalling [ User page Talk page Contributions ] 16:45, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 Oppose, the analogy with the three "Chicken" articles is incorrect because: 1) there is no mob called "Fish", and this article collectively describes all variants of this mob; 2) there are no food items derived from fish mobs which have "fish" in their names, and "Fish (food)" is also a collective article for all such food items; 3) "Fish" is a disambiguation page and lists meanings of the word beyond just the mob and the item (note that other pages cannot be moved over it without administrator rights).
From the two articles with the name "Fish", neither can be unambiguously considered to be about the primary meaning of the word. Per WP:NOPRIMARY, the page "Fish" should be the disambiguation page. --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 20:19, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 Oppose for the reasons listed above. The term "fish" is not a name used in the game. It's a name we gave to a collection of things. It's a logical name, but since both the items and the mobs have equal "rights" to claim the name (since both use them as a collection name, instead of it being an actual ingame term like chicken) the Fish page should be a disambiguation page.–Preceding unsigned comment was added by PepijnMC (talkcontribs) at March 21, 2018 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~
Right now we seem to be roughly equal, so I guess we should have it stay the way it is and maybe wait for 1.13 to come out? There are definitely good reasons why not to move it, and after seeing these posts, I'm actually about  Neutral now. Btw, I appreciate people actually replying to this - a lot of the time requests like this don't get any response.--Orange Glazed Terracotta.png Madminecrafter12TC 00:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Please don't let them to change your mind. They just said there is no mob called fish and the page Fish is disambiguation page. But we really don't need a disambiguation page for fish, because the other uses of fish can be listed on top of the page. And the analogy with chicken and fish is so sensible to me. Maybe fish is not a name of a mob, but a general name of the four mob. What does it matter? -- 15:50, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Please become more familiar with this wiki and its customs before trying to argue about things like this. --Pepijn (talk) 16:40, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Are you even aware that the number of votes is not the primary thing which matters? --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 16:23, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
What a concept -- urging a person not to let someone else change their mind. Once you have the ability to let someone else change your mind, why would you voluntarily turn that off XD – Sealbudsman talk/contr 03:02, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Pufferfish vs Puffer fish[edit]

I noticed that some parts of the wiki use "puffer fish", while other parts use "pufferfish". Which one is preferred? -EatingSilencerforBreakfast (talk) 16:49, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

We use the ingame name (en_us). The food item is called "pufferfish". The mob, fish bucket and spawn egg use "puffer fish". Blame Mojang. --Pepijn (talk) 22:33, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I brought this up because I noticed that the entitylink (Pufferfish) calls the puffer fish mob, "pufferfish". In this case, it should be changed to "puffer fish". -EatingSilencerforBreakfast (talk) 22:39, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, that does need to be changed.--Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngMadminecrafter12TalkContributions 00:43, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Unclear spawning[edit]

How exactly do fish spawn? Are they like other passive mobs, only spawning in world generation, or can they continuously spawn as the game goes on? Basically, what I mean is, if you kill all the fish in one world, would more fish spawn or would they be gone forever? Usually I would assume that they would only spawn upon world generation like other passive mobs, but they aren't breedable and the article says fish buckets are renewable.--Orange Glazed Terracotta.png Madminecrafter12TC 15:55, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

No passive mobs only spawn at world generation. Neither do fish. --Pepijn (talk) 15:58, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Fish spawn the same way squid do. Although there currently is a bug where they don't count towards the water creature mob cap, therefor if you kill all squid as soon as they spawn fish can spawn indefinitely. – Fuzs 16:43, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
I should have clarified, I meant at chunk generation (the spawn article says that animals only generate upon chunk creation). I'm comparing this to hostile mobs, which can spawn in the same chunk infinitely as long at the right conditions are met.--Orange Glazed Terracotta.png Madminecrafter12TC 16:02, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Still not true and the article does not state that. --Pepijn (talk) 20:28, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
That's a vague "Still not true"..? and Still-unhelpful. "Answer."
It's not an answer, it's a correction to the false assumptions you had about passive mob spawning. --Pepijn (talk) 23:34, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
It says "Many mobs generate upon initial chunk creation. These spawns will only happen once per chunk." Also I play minecraft for years and I've never seen an animal spawned in already loaded chunk before except for squids and ocelots. Who do we believe in now, our eyes or your writings? -- 15:50, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
You can believe what you want, it's just not true. The article splits spawning from chunk generation (natural generation) from spawning in already generated chunks(spawn cycle, the statement you quoted only applies to spawning from chunk generation, aka natural generation. In the spawn cycle section it clearly talks about passive/friendly mobs being part of the spawn cycle. Please stop spreading false information from a lack of understanding. --Pepijn (talk) 16:24, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
OK, I understand now. Firstly animals spawn when the chunk generated first, and secondly can rarely spawn in already loaded chunk. But I wish you were clearer in your first comment, so there would be no misunderstanding. -- 18:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
The article still just doesn't say anything about Spawning. I'll keep searching the Wiki, but I think it's still in the process - of course - of being Updated, Via the Snapshots' (trial-and-error, After even programming).
I'll assume, though that as Passive Mobs, which (re- , if Slowly )Spawn on Grass (Blocks) - or in the dark (Light level 3- , for Bats), for a couple examples - it just takes time. And, so it's possible that - given, desired, as this is By, (given, randomly-chosen, for such, I Think, like "Slime Chunks," too essentially) Chunk - Passive Mobs, might or might not Spawn, in a given place (ever). Yilante 3 /10 /18 10:26 am 18:26, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

tropical fish[edit]

i cant see the tropical fish in one of the photos and also how many variants of them are there i need more info-- 01:35, 8 March 2018 (UTC)dinnerbone.jr

The article states in the lead section that there are 3072 total different types of tropical fish. Also, what picture can you not see the tropical fish in?--Orange Glazed Terracotta.png Madminecrafter12TC 01:38, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm working on the render for tropical fish[edit]

Hey, just wanted to let everyone know I'm working on it. :P My borrowed computer crashed, so I've had to start over ..during school.. Should be uploaded by today or tomorrow! ^-^

(Why did I let everyone know that I'm working on them?) Well, I mean, so others can lay back and relax and know they don't have to do the hard work. ^-^ Totally ain't because I want the credit or anything.. *whistles innocently*

Canned husky (talk) 08:55, 8 March 2018 (UTC) (need to get a sig)

The computer I'm currently borrowing is not allowing me to install the program that I use. ;~; My own computer is currently being fixed and I won't have it back before tuesday. Other people, feel free to do the render, though I kinda hope you don't, because I really want to do it. *nervous laugh* - CannedHusky (talk) 09:03, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
NVM! File issues fixed! The render for type a (the small one) is already done and type B is being worked on and both will be uploaded later today or tomorrow! ^-^ - CannedHusky (talk) 15:02, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Doing finishing touches right now! Should be up in a couple of minutes. ^-^ - CannedHusky (talk) 09:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Having issues exporting the finished files. ;~; - CannedHusky (talk) 10:05, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
The renders have been added to the page! ^-^ - CannedHusky (talk) 10:44, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Good job with your renders! I'm really glad someone finally made those. And thanks for fixing the fish buckets. The tropical fish one was actually completely alright until 'someone' decided to revert my uploads on the other pictures for no reason. – Fuzs 16:38, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Common tropical fish variants[edit]

The 22 common tropical fish variants are:

117506305 117899265 50790656 117441536 118161664 65536

50726144 67764993 234882305 67110144 117441025 16778497

101253888 50660352 918529 235340288 918273 67108865

256 917504 67371265 117441280

I took a screenshot (Wild Tropical Fish Variants.png) of a collection of NoAI fish, but if anyone thinks they can do one with better visibility, feel free. Perhaps they should be facing to the side so we can see the pattern better, perhaps they should all be looking to the east so their side is bright rather than their front, perhaps they should be closer together a smidge so the image can be cropped nicely and seen better at thumbnail size. Otherwise I'll do one better at some unknown distant date in the future. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 01:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done Sealbudsman talk/contr 05:20, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

With 1.13.1 pre-2 fixing the "bug" that 3 common fish names didn't match 3 common fish I believe they fixed the bug by applying the Tomato Clownfish to the Red-White Kob instead of the Red-White SunStreak in the naming and changing the spawning to replace the other two unnamed common fish varieties with the ones they had given names, but I wouldn't know how to check personally. Someone should check and update the wiki and picture accordingly.--Pizza2004 (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Sizes of Fish[edit]

Can someone please add sizes of fish, and does anyone know how to detect size of an entity? -- 11:20, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I'll add the values soon. Please never add these solely based on in-game tests, the listing of the size is mainly intended for technical contraptions and the slightest mistake will break its use. It is super easy to get them from the source code, even when it is still obfuscated btw. – Fuzs 17:55, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for information. :) -- 18:06, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Salmon jumping waterfalls[edit]

Salmon jumping waterfalls was directed to this page. I wanted to add that they can jump at least 4 blocks high. It's really quite amazing, they seem to enjoy going up and down. Hope they add spawning frye in gravel.–Preceding unsigned comment was added by Peregrine858 (talkcontribs) at March 30, 2018 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Pufferfish should be a neutral mob[edit]

Cuz it can deal mobs or players damage while they approach it, by giving them Poison.--Lxazl5770 zh.admin) 09:18, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm working on the tropical fish renders 2: The Sequel[edit]

Yup. – CanOfHuskies 12:26, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

There we go. – CanOfHuskies 13:39, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

De-protection of the page[edit]

I request that the page is reopened for everybody, and instead give a 1 week restriction for MinecraftPhotos4U and CanOfHuskies from editing that specific page.

Next time you guys doesn't agree on something, go on the talk page, please.

And administrators, next time you see a conflict, try to encourage dialog instead of blocking for a week right away. A day would have been enough to invite them both to discuss.

JSBM (talk) 15:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I support unprotecting. I was actually going to start a discussion about the controversy, but then I noticed that the edit war was over, so I decided not to bother. However, despite the fact that the edit war ended, the page was still protected for a week. And I don't think that MCP4U and CanOfHuskies should not be able to edit the page. However, I do propose for the both of them to not make more than 2 reverts within a span of 24 hours on this page for a week or so, unless it's to revert obvious vandalism.-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 15:25, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Isn't that just a variation of the standard three revert rule?
Also, I unprotected the page. --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 15:32, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Yeah, kind of, but 3RR isn't really a thing on MCW. I've seen countless times where users have made many more than 3 non-vandalism reverts within 24 hours but not have gotten warned at all.-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 15:53, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
@AttemptToCallNil: Thank you for doing it, so no other users need to request edits all time on the talk page, so the page is now open for editing by everyone. If they begin again, give them a warning instead of protect the page :) - psl85 (☎ Talk | ✏️ Contribs) 15:51, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Split into separate pages[edit]

There's quite a bit of information that's only specific to a certain type of fish; even more so than the food's pages.

I propose this page gets split up into Cod, Salmon, Pufferfish and Tropical_Fish; and combine them with their respective item pages (also gets rid of the parenthesis.

See also the replies to The Community portal's merging fish food suggestion. FVbico (talk) 21:59, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

So are you saying you think the mob forms should be merged into the item form pages?-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 22:00, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Maybe, but that's only something to consider if this page gets split up in the first place; it's about the same thing (just a different form (entity or item)). FVbico (talk) 22:02, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Just to give an example of a page already doing this: Armor Stand contains both the entity and item info. FVbico (talk) 22:09, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 Support splitting the page to prevent cluttering. I do think that the mob and item forms have enough differences to stay separated, though, so I don't support merging the individual mob pages with the individual item pages.-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 22:07, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 Support splitting up the page.z
And I'd probably support merging them with item forms too, but I'd encourage that a mock-up be made of the four merged pages first, to get a sense of how it would read. – Sealbudsman talk | contribs 03:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 Support splitting the page.  Neutral WRT merging mobs with items until I see a mock-up. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the only purpose of armor stand items is to be used by players to spawn the corresponding entity. --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 08:40, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 Support splitting the entity page (would do the same for Horse);  Oppose merging entities and items together: the only function of armor stand, painting, boat etc. items is to allow the player to place those entities, while the fish items are quite different than the fish mobs--Capopanzone (talk) 21:34, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
Agree with Capopanzone here. Armor stands are a very different situation than this. The item forms act extremely differently than the mob forms, and to me it doesn't make much sense to have them on the same page. I still would be curious to see a mock-up of how they would look together, though. Would it look something like this?
Cod is a type of mob that spawns in oceans, as well as its cold, lukewarm, and deep variants.
Raw cod[Java Edition only] or raw fish[Bedrock and Legacy Console editions only] is a food item that drops from cod mobs.
Cooked cod[Java Edition only] or cooked fish[Bedrock and Legacy Console editions only] is a food item obtained by cooking raw cod/fish.
-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 01:48, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 Support both splitting the entities and merging with the respective items. – Luckowski 01:02, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 Support splitting the page into one for each mob, since it's extremely cluttered in its current state,  Neutral on the item. - User-12316399 (talk) 23:38, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 Support Splitting this article into Cod (mob) etc, oppose merge with item form. – Nixinova Nixinova sig1.png Nixinova sig2.png 23:13, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm making the new renders[edit]

They should be up by tomorrow. I'm also making the colors of the ones we already have more accurate. – Luckowski 22:18, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

It's done – Luckowski 00:56, 15 October 2018 (UTC)