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This shouldn't be its own page[edit]

Why is it its own page? It should be part of Zombie like any other variant –Preceding unsigned comment was added by CanOfHuskies (talkcontribs) at 19:30, 13 March 2018‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Isn't that a separate mob with own AI, own drops etc ? Kumasasa (talk) 19:33, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
The Drowned appears to use the same model and AI as the zombie, so it probably should be a variant. Also the Drowned drop rotten flesh, and rarely a gold ingot or a trident, so it's drops seem to follow the logic of the stray dropping tipped arrows even though it is a skeleton variant. jjlr (talk) 09:51, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Based on what I know, I think drowned has enough differences from a zombie to have its own page. However, we do need to come to a decision quick, because right now drowned is both its own page and on the zombie page.--Orange Glazed Terracotta.png Madminecrafter12TC 13:02, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 Agreed. They have different spawning conditions, different drops, can spawn with a different weapon and have the ability to throw that weapon. Wither skeletons have their own page as well, if drowned do not deserve one neither do wither skeletons imo. --Pepijn (talk) 00:12, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Although strays have different spawn conditions compared to skeletons, use tipped arrows instead of regular ones, and drop tipped arrows rather than regular ones and they are considered a skeleton variant. With that being considered Drowned are not really that much more different from zombies as strays are from skeletons. jjlr (talk) 02:34, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
They do not have any different behavior from skeletons however, while drowned do (different targeting conditions, different behavior during the day, they can throw tridents). Which is a big deal, including them in Zombies will need a lot of exceptions everywhere, which is not what you want on a page (it's messy). –Preceding unsigned comment was added by PepijnMC (talkcontribs) at 12:37, 15 March 2018‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~
I've removed the part about drowned from the zombie page, but if the community decides to include it on that page, we can easily revert it back. Before the edit, the drowned information was duplicated onto this page and the zombie page, and I felt that the community overall was leaning slightly towards having drowned as a separate page; but like I said, we can easily change it.--Orange Glazed Terracotta.png Madminecrafter12TC 00:34, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

The Drops section is incorrect, the Drowned can drop a trident regardless of whether it spawned with one or not. this sometimes actually allows for them to drop two, one they are holding and one from the loot table, though i am unsure what the percentage is from the loot table. jjlr (talk) 11:16, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Do Drowned not have some of the behaviors that Zombies do? For example, will Drowned go after villagers? -EatingSilencerforBreakfast (talk) 19:58, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Drowned will go after villager just like zombies do. jjlr (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Have you actually tested that? Because I did when they came out and I'm pretty sure they do not chase villagers and villagers do not run away from them.–Preceding unsigned comment was added by PepijnMC (talkcontribs) at March 14, 2018 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~
http://www.mediafire.com/view/3522omvuu9kseyu/18w11a_Drowned_Villager.gif jjlr (talk) 02:07, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Ah yes, they won't get out of the water to target something during the day (unlike zombies). I got confused with that. Still, this is behavior they don't share with zombies. --Pepijn (talk) 11:32, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Drops need to be corrected[edit]

The Drowned is able to drop a Trident even if it has not spawned with one. Though i am unsure what the percentage chance is from getting it from the loot table. Also it is possible to get two Tridents from one Drowned if the Drowned drops the one it spawned with and you get one from the loot table. jjlr (talk) 03:03, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

I will take a look at the loot table.--Orange Glazed Terracotta.png Madminecrafter12TC 13:29, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 Done. See my last two edits.--Orange Glazed Terracotta.png Madminecrafter12TC 13:53, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

What is the source for ("naturally spawned") Drowned being able to drop a trident even when not spawning with one? This is the first time I see any source mention that as being possible, or, in fact, mob drops differing by mob origin rather than just mob type. RealWormbo (talk) 19:24, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Baby Variant[edit]

Where is the baby variant of drowned? ZYSTerry (talk) 11:06, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Looks to be "Baby Drowned." Sounds better than the reverse (or even "Child Drowned," somehow). Yilante 5 /23 /17 12:12 p.m. 108.215.209.201 19:13, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Plural[edit]

What is the plural of "drowned"? Is it "drowned" or "drowneds"? – Nixinova Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Diamond Pickaxe.png Grid Map.png 19:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

"Drowned" (thankfully, in my opinion). See https://minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-18w11a, under the section Drowned, where they say things like "Drowned can spawn with tridents ...", "All drowned have a melee attack ...", and "Like zombies, drowned don't really like turtles that much". – Sealbudsman talk/contr 22:41, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, good to know - I was wondering the same thing.--Orange Glazed Terracotta.png Madminecrafter12TC 22:44, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

The prototype of drowned[edit]

We cannot define the translation of this new mob, that's terrible. Someone says that's taken from Wizard III and some one says that's just "the drowning zombie". So please, can someone here can define this new drowned mob? Thanks! --Lxazl5770 zh.admin) 10:26, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

It does not matter what anyone here thinks the developers might have had in mind when they designed this mob. The wiki is only meant for documenting the game, as long as there is no official statement or a hint somewhere there is nothing we can do. You should contact Mojang about this, they'll be able to help out. Btw, I think you mean Witcher III not Wizard. – Fuzs 11:02, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
If it helps with translation, you might choose to use "Drowned Zombie" instead of just the official "Drowned" name. Not "drowning" though, as the zombie is not drowning anymore, but has completed drowning before to become its current existent form. It is a zombie that has gone through the change of being affected by water when trying to breathe in it (judging by the game mechanics, not just the name they gave it). And being an undead creature already, it could not die because of it, but had to change anyway and is therefore now an altered zombie with different properties than the regular one. I really hope this helps you, because I don't know anything about the chinese language. – Jack McKalling [ User page Talk page Contributions ] 11:12, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
If the adjective "drowned" (like "a drowned zombie") can be translated to a Chinese adjective, and if it sounds awkward or wrong to use that word as a mob name, I wouldn't worry about it, it sounds awkward in English too. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 15:35, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
I've asked Helen Angel about this in the meantime. I've posted everything she told me in the discussion section on the drowned translation page on Crowdin for all translators to see. Please check it out. – Fuzs 21:12, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
The problem was resloved, thanks! "A drowned zombie" is actually a defined translation. --Lxazl5770 zh.admin) 09:57, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Chicken in the middle of the ocean[edit]

How would a chicken be in the middle of the water by itself when babies don't burn in sunlight? Fluffyboo12 (talk) 22:39, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

If the water is too deep, the zombie can't ride any longer (same with players and horses in an ocean)   HorseFace.png MarkusRost (talk) 22:45, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Trident[edit]

Will these drop if there is no player action taken? For example in an auto farm where zombies drop into water to be converted and then dropped onto Magma block to die. Will they ever drop a trident or only if killed by a player? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.31.29.103 (talk) at 19:12, 4 May 2018‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

According to the loot table they must be killed by a player to drop a trident. jjlr (talk) 09:18, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Spawning depth and Drowned-thrown Trident range[edit]

Would be nice to have these #'s. They are this specific on the Z. Page. Yilante 5 /23 /17 12:10 p.m. 108.215.209.201 19:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

About spawning depth - would be very helpful to understand what "They spawn throughout a body of water at surface floor." actually means. Is that throughout the body of water or only on the surface of the floor of the river/ocean? (Asking because I don't see any spawn in a (Java / Realms 1.14) bedrock-deep column of water I've built under a river biome.

Baby drowned render[edit]

I might be wrong, but i was sure there was a render of a baby drowned at some point. Although now i cannot even find the file, does anyone know what happened to it, or did it never exist? jjlr (talk) 10:37, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Converted drowned not droppping tridents[edit]

Either I am misunderstanding something, or the page is wrong;

I've killed over 1,500 drowned that were converted from zombies from a spawner, using Loot 3, but none have dropped a trident.

I think the Wiki page is saying that only naturally-spawned drowned have a chance to be equipped with a trident (or carry a nautilus shell), but it still indicates that ALL drowned have a chance to drop a trident - even those not carrying one. It says that with looting III there is a 4% chance; as that is 4 in 100, it seems ridiculously unlikely to get none from 1,500.

This is on 1.13 Pre-1.–Preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.20.193.222 (talk) at 15:01, 09 June 2018 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Ok, I'm on 18w21a (I'm going to check with 1.13-pre1 soon), and looking at the drowned.json file, you may be right. I don't see any mention of drowned dropping a trident. I don't know much about files like these, but to me it looks like drowned only drop 0 - 2 rotten flesh and 1 gold ingot, but no tridents. I'm going to launch 1.13-pre1 so that I can look at the loot tables for that - and if anybody knows of some other way drowned can drop tridents when they're not equipped with them, please correct me.-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 15:42, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm looking at the 1.13-pre1 loot table for drowned now. No mention of dropping a trident. So unless I'm reading it incorrectly, you're right - they do not drop a trident unless they're equipped with it. In that case, I'll look at the drowned loot table file for previous versions to see if maybe they only drop a trident in earlier snapshots. Thanks for pointing that out.-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 16:02, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Update. I'm looking at the loot table for drowned in 18w11a and they DO drop a trident in this version. Time to investigate further... -- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 16:11, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh, it was a bug! See https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-128205. Apparently they weren't supposed to drop tridents both from the loot table and as a held item, and this bug was fixed in 18w16a. That explains it. Now the question is, do they still drop tridents from the loot table in Bedrock Edition?-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 16:18, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for responding, it's good to know it's not just me - and maybe it'll save other people hours trying for a "rare" drop that can never happen.
I'm off to deep ocean, to find some natural drowned to get tridents. Sorry, I don't have bedrock, so I've no idea about that. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.20.193.222 (talk) at 17:16, 09 June 2018 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~
"do they still drop tridents from the loot table in Bedrock Edition?" Yes. I redid the drops and natural spawned gear section on here a while ago with verified information from loot tables and the code. Seems like people have been messing with it afterwards, but I think it's all corrected now. --Pepijn (talk) 17:59, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Nice, thanks. Glad the information is finally correct, then. :)-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 18:07, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

What is the plural form of "Drowned"?[edit]

I'm inclined to believe "drowneds" but just "drowned" sounds like it might work too. Coolguysans777 (talk) 15:15, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Coolguysans777 - the plural is actually "drowned" as this is what Mojang uses. There was another discussion about this on this same page, just scroll up a bit or click here.-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 15:17, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh thanks "Madminecrafter12", I just had a bad internet connection and couldn't see it. -CGS –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Coolguysans777 (talkcontribs) at 15:25, 10 June 2018‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Merging with Zombie article[edit]

This article should be merged into the Zombie article. EDSM.png Talk.png Edits.png 20:21, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

 Oppose. It has enough differences to warrant its own page, like wither skeletons. --Pepijn (talk) 22:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 Oppose also, the mob has many differences with the original zombie, and the zombie page, no merge, psl85 (☎ Talk | ✏️ Contribs) 06:02, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 Oppose. Personally, I would actually split all the similar mobs into different pages (zombie, zombie villager, husk; skeleton, stray; horse, donkey, mule, skeleton horse, zombie horse; cod, salmon, pufferfish, tropical fish) --185.36.129.43 10:59, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Note - the same thing is being discussed currently here.-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 12:45, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
I personally  Disagree with the merge, they seem about as distinct as the zombie pigmen, which I should add also extend the zombie. The husk is more similar as its just a zombie that inflicts hunger, but these have more unique spawning, AI, and equipment. KnightMiner t/c 17:23, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 Oppose for the same reason as in Minecraft Wiki talk:Community portal#Drowned and Zombie: It's pretty clear that they are different mobs. Also, merging all entities that could fit under the term "zombie" doesn't help much with adding more information to the wiki, but only clutters it up with so much information that it gets confusing. (Hence I also disagree with Husk and Zombie villager being part of the Zombie article. They aren't real zombies either and have their own special properties.) | violine1101(Talk) 17:35, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
I'd have to oppose since No other Mobs have a dropped-item attack as powerful as the Trident. Nor can pick-up Tridents (I think?) and actually use them.
Then again, I Also wish(ed, even) that Zombie Villagers had been given their own distinction in the Wiki. And now that Under-Water, Zombie Villagers, Don't - Convert - into Drowned (and get Stuck on the Water-bottom, unmovably), it's just 1 more way they're different from other Zombies (can't recall if Husks Convert to Drowned, though). Yilante 7 /6 /18 10:25 pm 108.215.209.201 05:26, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
If so, then can I remove the information for drowned from the zombie page? Why is it even on there? EDSM.png Talk.png Edits.png 05:16, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out - I've removed most of it, e.g. the infobox stuff, drowned behavior, etc. Not sure why it was ever on there. I've kept the part showing the differences between drowned and zombies, though, as I do think that's helpful.-- Madminecrafter12Orange Glazed Terracotta.pngTalk to meLight Blue Glazed Terracotta.png 13:10, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 Comment See also Talk:Zombie#Split Zombie variants off from this article | violine1101(Talk) 10:40, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 Oppose merge; instead they should be split as per Talk:Zombie#Split Zombie variants off from this article. --Pokechu22 (talk) 05:27, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 Oppose. For translating problems. --Lxazl5770 zh.admin) 07:02, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Are the drop percentages listed actually correct?[edit]

I have been playing 1.13 java release version (multiplayer, on a server I run) for many hours and killed hundreds (maybe more than a thousand) of naturally spawned Drowned and I still have zero trident drops. The percentage that spawn with fishing rods is listed as 2% yet I've seen dozens. The percentage that spawn with a nautilus shell is listed as 3% and I've also seen dozens. I've even killed probably 100 that spawned with a trident and still no drop. I'm using a Looting III sword too. It seems like something is wrong with the trident drop. 67.188.234.129 20:26, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

I'll just give my #'s, too: about a dozen or-more (honestly, never pay attention to Fishing, heh) Fishing Rods (it's relatively-good drop rate, compared to number I see holding them, at least)
   2 1 /2 Conduits' worth, so 28 Nautilus Shells (again, I'm Sure that This drop rate is about 100% yay)
   And 0 Tridents-dropped (out of about 2 or-more dozen seen, killed).
(All with Looting 3 D Sword, of course)
Let's just not forget that "Java" /"Bedrock" "Edition(SSS)" of late, have been especially-specific, in the notations, of stuff. Persnickety, I'd say. 8 /6 /18 1:51 pm Yilante 108.215.209.201 20:52, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Bedrock Offhand Dropping[edit]

It says that on bedrock edition that drowned will always drop the item in their offhand, but this is untrue. I killed a drowned with a nautilus shell in its offhand on bedrock edition, and it didn't drop it.73.208.227.101 00:08, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Can be talk about the difference between an equipment and a drop, please?[edit]

There seem to be quite some editing around whether or not something counts as a drop. Drops are determined at the time the mob is killed, not when it spawns. The fact that some drowned spawn with a nautilus shell in their off-hand does not make that a drop. Yes, the shell drops all the time when it's in the drowned's off-hand, but that should be covered in the sections about spawned equipment and noted as a guaranteed equipment drop, not as a random drop. The same goes for trident drops, for which I still haven't seen any confirmation that they actually happen on Java edition. If they do, you should be able to get a double drop from drowned equipped with a trident. RealWormbo (talk) 06:01, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Feel free to clean it up while retaining the probabilities. Maybe present it as a table of equipment with columns for chance of spawning with the equipment and chance of dropping the item when killed? ~ Amatulic (talk) 06:37, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

We should add they pick up Armor (and wear it; equip items, so on)[edit]

So Drowned - both on Land and in Water - pick up and wear Armor (as opposed to Spawn with it, already in article that only Converted-from-Zombies Drowned, do). As opposed to Break down Doors (unlike Zombies), I'd gotten that wrong (and that Vindicators both Open and Break down Doors, unlike Pillagers, which only did in 1 Snapshot). Yilante 4 /15 /19 11:13 p.m. 76.209.248.192 06:13, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

In 1.14.1, only drowned with tridents can drop a trident[edit]

I haven't tested in 1.13, but in 1.14.1 Java Edition, a drowned without a trident cannot drop a trident (or the chance is really low because I killed about 50 drowned with looting 100 and got no tridents.) ShadowCooper78 (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

@ShadowCooper78: Were these naturally spawned drowned, or zombies converted to drowned by drowning? ~ Amatulic (talk) 02:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Things have not changed since 1.13 in that regard. It doesn't matter if they are converted, if they don't have a trident, they can't drop one. (And converted drowned also never have a trident, obviously.) RealWormbo (talk) 06:49, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
@RealWormbo: I think ShadowCooper78's question was about the validity of probabilities stated in the article. It says that naturally spawned drowned have an 11% chance to drop a trident, increasing by 2% with each level of Looting. If he changed Looting to 100 then every drowned should drop a trident, no? Even without looting, killing 50 drowned should give you about 5 tridents if each drowned has an 11% chance to drop one. That's why I asked if these were naturally spawned drowned. I don't use Java Edition, I'm a Bedrock player, so I don't know how Java works.
Maybe the probability should be interpreted like this: if a drowned spawns with a trident then it has an 11% chance of dropping it? That is, 6.25% of drowned spawn with a trident and 11% of those can drop them? I have no idea. In any case, I think some clarification is needed in the article. ~ Amatulic (talk) 17:18, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
IMHO that entire list should be rewritten to match e.g. the Zombie drops list. Weapons, tools and nautilus shells are not a regular drop, but an equipment drop. They should not be listed in the general drops section at all, but instead have their drop chances listed under the section that describes the chance drowned spawn with those items.
FYI: Java edition does not differentiate between "naturally spawned" and "converted". Drowned don't drop tridents, period. Drowned (like many other mobs) *may* drop equipment they spawned with. RealWormbo (talk) 17:23, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
I made some changes in the article based on loot table files from Java 1.14.2 and Bedrock 1.11.3 (assuming I read them correctly). Drowned not holding anything can only drop rotten flesh and a golden ingot in Java, and the chance to drop equipment is 8.5% (according to Drops#Equipped_items); however it seems that in Bedrock, drowned can drop a trident as a normal (non-equipment) drop (and indeed has an 11% chance as was stated in the article). –Sonicwave talk 20:25, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
I made some further rearrangements, removing the contradictions and hopefully clarifying things. So in Java Edition, 6.25% of drowned spawn naturally equipped with a trident, 8.5% of those will drop its trident when killed, and no converted drowned is equipped with a trident. There were conflicting statements about Bedrock (11% vs 8.5%) so I fixed that. ~ Amatulic (talk) 20:43, 30 May 2019 (UTC)