Talk:Music

Old .ogg files not following their copyright

EDIT: FILES ALL FIXED NOW.

Old .ogg files surpass the 30 second limit and therefore does not abide the agreement between the wiki and C418.

A list of all affected files:

• Minecraft.ogg
• Clark.ogg
• Sweden.ogg
• Subwoofer lullaby.ogg
• Living mice.ogg
• Haggstrom.ogg
• Danny.ogg
• Key.ogg
• Oxygene.ogg
• Dry hands.ogg
• Wet hands.ogg
• Mice on venus.ogg

Example: FIXED

(File will continue to play the entire track after 0:30.)

I cannot change the files because they are protected. --Neutral0814 (talk) 03:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Should be fixed now; thanks for catching this. It looks like someone on the German wiki had uploaded the full tracks back when we had a shared file database, which overwrote the tracks here without leaving any indication on the description pages. -- Orthotope^talk 05:13, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but all the English files still pass 30 seconds... --Neutral0814 (talk) 16:29, 20 December 2013 (UTC) NEVER MIND, they all stop now...I guess the change didn't occur to my computer yet...thank you. --Neutral0814 (talk) 16:34, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Some songs are not on here, such as "door", "equinoxe" and many others. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 96.253.109.172 (talk) at 02:05, 9 January 2014 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Those songs do not exist in the current game. If they existed in previous versions you're going to have to provide some proof. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.68.129.24 (talk) at 22:39, 03 December 2014 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

there are many songs that I have never heard play, even after re downloading the game. some specific to the end (and end credits), and some specific to creative. not sure if my computer is constantly messed up, or if these are actually songs that are unused. any confirmation? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.36.106.219 (talk) at 16:06, 31 May 2014 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

I can confirm that the credits song was broken until recently. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.68.129.24 (talk) at 22:39, 03 December 2014 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

History

Can someone add some sort of indication on when songs were added? I know if I scan the entire release history lists I'll find it eventually but that's a lot of research for something that really should be on this page. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.68.129.24 (talk) at 22:36, 3 December 2014 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

I can start with the latest batch from nov 2013... – Sealbudsman (Aaron) ^t/_c 23:36, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Move

The following is a closed discussion of a proposed move. Please do not modify it. Any editors wishing to make further comments should start a new topic.

The result of the discussion was Move from Music included in Minecraft to Music. –KnightMiner ^t/_c 16:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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 Agree. –LauraFi - talk 00:46, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

 Netural - Music is already a disambig page. What would happen to Music Disc? BDJP ^(t|c) 01:01, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Music Disc would be unaffected (unless you mean Music, which would be moved to Music (disambiguation)). As for Music being a disambig page, in most cases where we link the article, we have used a piped link to link directly to the article rather than the disambig, while displaying the title "Music" (basically per the line from the bottom of disambig pages). –KnightMiner ^t/_c 01:18, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Changed my mind. I now  Agree. BDJP ^(t|c) 02:53, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

 Sounds good to me. – Sealbudsman (Aaron) ^t/_c 23:36, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Columns in that table

Is it alright to have just 4 columns that are: Gameplay / Music Discs / Soundtrack / Track, and just as Soundtrack distinguishes Alpha and Beta, Gameplay distinguishes the update when the music was added (and when it was removed)? – Sealbudsman (Aaron) ^t/_c 23:50, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

The historical columns should really be moved to a new history section as the style guide requires, and any removed tracks to a "removed tracks" subsection of the history section or the removed features article.

Likewise, I would suggest merging the gameplay and music disc column into one which simply states where it is heard in game (creative mode, nether, music disc, etc.), as there is no case where both say "yes", so it seems like a useless distinction. –KnightMiner ^t/_c 03:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Music in Minecraft Classic

The tracks calm 1, calm 2, and calm 3 were all in Minecraft Classic. Not sure exactly when they were added, but shouldn't this be reflected in the history section?

Rqaa3721 (talk) 00:04, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Calm 4?

Calm 4 is mentioned in the copyright/"30 sec only" notice but not present in the list and History section says it was removed in Alpha, so why mention it in that notice? 49.207.184.251 08:09, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

CE

Add the exclusive music from Console Edition! Who wants to put it, say:  Agree--66.50.13.92 17:09, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Sure, when did they add exclusive tracks, and what tracks are they? – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 19:25, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

IDK--207.204.181.251 20:05, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Tumble tracks and battle tracks, DUH!--207.204.187.102 17:12, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Mice on Venus incorrectly labeled hal2 (or vice versa)

Plz fix the error on section Trivia. 111.194.114.57 02:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Split this one as well

I've had a thought at the back of my head ever since proposing to split Status effect and Enchanting that we should maybe also split this page as well;

• Splitting this page into different articles would allow more room for information about each track to be noted. Currently, we don't even have a descriptive sentence for each one - just a few columns in a table with no personality whatsoever.
• Certain other wikis, such as the Undertale and Silent Hill wikis, have their OSTs split up into a page for each track.
• Currently, the trivia section lists a bunch of jumbled information about many different tracks - splitting the page would allow for this information to be noted on the specific track's page instead. Similar can be said for the History section.
• On some devices (tested on an ipad air 2) the sheer amount of audio files stacked up here cause the page to lag considerably when scrolling past them, which obviously is not a good thing.

Any thoughts on this? - User-12316399 (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

I do not see the value in splitting this music page up. The reason for this being is that there's very few information (as far as I know), if any, available for every track, apart from the music discs (though those have their own page already, with bits and bobs described about the tracks).

The reason the wikis you mentioned, have split their music stuff up, is most likely because there's a specific scene (in both Undertale's and Silent Hill's case) where this song plays. However, in our case, the music is played pretty much at random - the only variation is Overworld, Nether, End and credits. This is also a reason why I don't see the value in splitting it up either.

As for the page's loading time - the iPad Air 2 was first released in 2014 (with its hardware designed many years earlier). Through updates and higher software requirements for current applications, it's quite understandable it'll get slower over time or just cannot cope with stuff used today. —DarkShadowTNT (t ♦ c) 16:26, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

 Neutral. I'd need a mock-up to make a decision. Is there really enough information to warrant separate pages? – Nixinova   02:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

 Oppose per DarkShadowTNT. -BDJP ^(t|c) 05:05, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

 Oppose splitting; I don't think there's any significant information that could be put onto each article (particularly not beyond that found on the Minecraft - Volume Alpha and Minecraft - Volume Beta articles, which have the very short descriptions from the soundtrack itself). As for performance, I don't have any issues on my super old laptop. I was going to ask you to check burger which inlines a lot of sounds (and is a large and laggy page), but it turns out I actually don't insert the sound elements directly (only after clicking a button). For the page: it's possible that the sounds are being automatically preloaded by the browser; I don't know how that works (and given how old the iPod Air is, I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done about it). --Pokechu22 (talk) 16:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

 Oppose per DarkShadowTNT and Pokechu22. FVbico (talk) 13:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

There are multiple valid arguments explaining why the page should not be split, five participants with no support, and the discussion has been open since March 1 with the last comment being on March 7. Therefore, I have removed the {{move}} template from the page, as there appears to be a consensus to not split.--Madminecrafter12 ^{(Talk to me | View what I've done)} 21:09, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Separate pages

I know someone already said it and was opposed, but I think, as the post was old, a new one would fit more.

We need those for this reasons:

• Trivia separated
• History separated
• In-depth description of song:

• Length
• Instruments
• Genre
• Played where and when?

• More organization, generally
• Quicker load-time because of the many audios

Templates, I don't know if there is one already, could fit. See User:RubenVerg/Pages/Shuniji –Preceding unsigned comment was added by RubenVerg (talk • contribs) at 18:19, 17 September 2019 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

That was 2 months ago, nothing in this page changed at all, and all arguments are still valid.

Please actually check how old stuff is, 2 months isn't old at all... FVbico (talk) 18:39, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Which is kinda old. People's mind change... Tho, do you  Agree or  Disagree? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by RubenVerg (talk) at 20:23, 02 January 2020 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

 Support Again, as the original proposer of this split I'm definitely for a split of some form, but it'd run a lot better with a more fleshed out example. - User-12316399 (talk) 22:33, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Along with editing your example and template I've went ahead and created another, more comprehensive example over at User:User-12316399/Music_examples/Sweden. Of course, we probably won't be able to write super big articles on in-game music, but do we really have to need big articles on everything? - User-12316399 (talk) 23:57, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Given the fact that there are now more musical artists working in the game I'd say that there's all the more reason to split at this point, soon enough one page simply won't be sufficient to fit all. - User-12316399 (talk) 17:20, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

 Agree (TL;DR completely agree) because we need more trivias because this trivia is HUGE. So the following 3 articles will be: Overworld Music, Underwater Music, and Nether Music. 87.49.147.223 08:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

 Support The nether update added like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 music tracks (1 disc and 4 biome music) Also, i think it should be Overworld, Underwater, Nether, and Other (end, credits, ambiance, etc)---Humiebee ^{Discuss anything with me Look at my edits} 15:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

 Agree This is much more organized description of what we should do in comparison to the previous post. ArwingProduction70581 (talk) 15:39, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Music not working right

Does anyone else have an issue with Java edition's music files not playing in-game? I play for a few hours at a time and very rarely hear any of Minecraft's music. Title screen music works fine and when I load a world, one track plays, but once that one track is done, I almost never hear another song until the next time I load the world. The wiki page says "In-game music is cued by the time of day, with a random track being played at sunrise, sunset, noon and midnight" but that doesn't seem to be the case for me. I've checked the bug tracker and haven't found any bugs relating to this. Anyone have any ideas? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Agriggs191 (talk • contribs) at 02:59, 5 March 2019 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

I'm pretty sure the sunrise/sunset/noon/midnight statement is wrong; I remember seeing it years back and it seeming wrong but I never did more research. It seems odd particularly because of the length of some of the songs. I'm not sure of what the actual behavior is, though. --Pokechu22 (talk) 03:09, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I've watched those markers pass and heard nothing happen. I think it's essentially random, but I don't know. -PancakeIdentity (talk) 02:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

From music_definition.json, Overworld music that play in survival gamemode are based on delay, not based on sunrise/sunset/noon/midnight. When entering the world, music start to play, then another music play after 600-1200 seconds (10-20 minutes), but at least that how music played in Bedrock, maybe different in Java. ImakerB (talk) 23:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

30 seconds

As itʼs well known, only 30-second excerpts from music files except “11” are allowed on this wiki. Do they have to be taken from the tracksʼ start, or they can be taken from the middle (that would make sense for tracks like the roughly 10-minute End theme). Also, do they have to be 30 seconds exact, or they can be made shorter (24 seconds, 29.36 seconds)? — BabylonAS ru.Wiki Admin 06:39, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

"Composer" category

With the addition of new music by Lena Raine, should we add a "Composer" category to the table? It's only 3 tracks that are not done by C418, but there might be more.

24.183.113.207 18:35, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

How about music in Minecraft Dungeon, the composer also not by C418. ImakerB (talk) 22:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

 Support  Nixinova  T  C  02:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Tracks that aren't by C418

"Note: these tracks previews have been shortened to 30 seconds on the wiki due to an agreement with the author to allow them on the wiki" - This only applies to C418 tracks; what about tracks by other composers (e.g., the 20w15a tracks were made by kuraine^[1])  Nixinova  T  C  02:39, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I'd say we should attempt to contact her and/or Mojang about it. -PancakeIdentity (talk) 22:48, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Track Ordering

The canonical ordering of the aquatic tracks (track number tag in the ogg metadata) is:

1. Shuniji
2. Dragon Fish
3. Axolotl

Should we rearrange them in the article to correspond to the official ordering, or should we keep them alphabetical?
As for the nether update tracks, they don't have track no. tags. What can be gleamed from the ogg metadata is that they were composed in Reaper DAW. (Kuraine has also tweeted about it in the past.) But I think that might be too boring to add to the trivia section. Janjtv (talk) 19:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I would arrange them alphabetically, since this is more intuitive to readers. On top of that, the internal order may be different in Bedrock Edition (Note: These tracks are currently only in the betas). The Blobs 21:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

 Weak oppose. I think alphabetical makes more sense especially since the internal data is hard to access for most users. -PancakeIdentity (talk) 21:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Lost history of time-indicating music

I've just come back to Minecraft after a year or two's vacation, and noticed a change in the Overworld music that led me back here. I am reasonably sure that until some fairly recent version (at least 1.12 or so), the Overworld music would play four times a day, a random choice after dawn, before sunset, and roughly noon and midnight.

From gameplay in the 1.16 snapshots, it became fairly clear that wasn't happening anymore, and coming back to this page confirms that it's now playing at random times... but looking at the History section, I see no hint that music was ever connected to the passage of time, and that just isn't right. I'm certain it used to be scheduled, because that was in fact useful, being a way to get a loose sense of time even when deep underground. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 13:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I swear I have a distinct impression/memory of all of the Hal tracks indicating sunrise/sunset. Is this true? Do the other names mean anything about the conditions in which songs play / did they used to? Aepokk (talk) 03:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Day-night cycle#Trivia says "Background game music is triggered at specific times of the day-night cycle." 86.61.37.226 16:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Nether vs. Nether Wastes

Regarding the old songs used for the Nether overall, do those still plays sometimes in the Nether Wastes? Or is it only Rubedo now? Also, do these play in the other biomes at all? Aepokk (talk) 22:28, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Old nether music still play in the Nether, those are not biome specific and played in any Nether biomes except in Warped Forest. There just a chance new nether music played instead of old music. ImakerB (talk) 03:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying! I do wonder what the deal is with Warped Forests, anyway... old Nether music not allowed to play there, Lena didn't make a song for the biome... it's all very strange. Aepokk (talk) 04:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

What?

So on my phone I was playing minecraft peacefully on my Slime Rancher obby. It's there until I passed the first part, guessing what slime is there. I guessed Rad Slime (because that was the answer) and as soon as I got on the Raddie's radiation ring I heard Cave Sound 14 and when I heard it I quickly exited minecraft. Cave Sound 14 is a creepy loop, and when you view it in a spectogram the image it makes is a Creeper's face! 24.99.194.186 23:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

1. it's already documented on the wiki (the creeper part) and 2. the rest makes no sense---Humiebee ^{Discuss anything with me Look at my edits} 23:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Music pages for other games

There aren't any music pages for the other games, like Earth and Dungeons. I feel like they deserve to have their own pages, as they all have their own exclusive songs, as well as songs ripped from Minecraft. Maybe the soundtrack for both Minecraft Story Mode's seasons and the Legacy Console Edition's Minigames (Battle, Tumble and Glide) deserve their own page(s). FizzyChal (talk) 06:48, 20 October 2020 (UTC)